Ships & Modules

+1 for this thread. Sanity incarnate. I've been saying this for well over a year, and I've always gotten significant resistance. It's good to see common sense on the forums for once. (I'm... dreaming, of a badass... Bruuuuutix...)

I don't forum much.

I'm still getting to know this game, but it seems to me that a clearer separation of "Tier," a progression of the contemplation of ship design and combat tactics, from "Tech," a progression of technology, would make the game easier to get into without simply nerfing the skill (lower case intended) requirement to succeed.

So higher "Tier" ships would have ever more specialized roles within the game, while higher "Tech" ships take unique approaches through modules, stats, and bonuses not available to other vessels. The system for distinguishing different types of ships would then communicate something about their usage, and tie together similar ship types even across ship class and race.

Instead, players are left to sort out the difference between the advanced technology of a Tengu and the specialization of a Naga, two ships with vastly different capabilities and approaches to fitting. I think that letting the players sort this out for ourselves is fine, except that whatever consensus is reached about how to fit and fly these ships in a group setting is not reflected in-game, and sorting through 8 years of blogs and fan sites to find the up-to-date information needed to make a decision is very off-putting.

i alway liked the idea of the player choosing the role of the ship. As is in ship choice is nothing more than for aesthetics purposes. You choose it bonuses,slot layout ect. Would be chaos but eve likes chaos.

Give all tier one Battlecruisers MWD speed bonus - fast scouts, their new role.

As a hint, the 'tier' of a ship is linked to it's primary skill requirement level, and is an indicator of overall quality of the ship within it's class.
Typically, tech2 ships are significantly more powerful than their tech1 origin ship, but more specialized, in pretty much every case I can think of right now.

I'm afraid I wasn't quite sure what you were getting at, but I don't think tech 2 ships need to be touched at all as per this discussion, they're generally very equal across classes and they have well defined roles (force recon vs combat recon etc).


IF CCP went ahead with this (and I'm arrogantly going to assume they adopted my balancing logic from earlier), they'd get to essentially add 28 new combat viable ships to the game.

Frigates, cruisers, and battleships would all have 2 ships buffed up to full potency, with battlecruisers bringing the tier 1s up to scratch. 7 per race, 28 overall. (Although arguably the tier1&2 battleships are already used, but even without that, you'd get 20 new ships to play with).

It's not a 'little thing', but it'd go a hell of a way to shaking up the meta.

Look at me now at your Executioner:

There two pulse Lasers.

That's okay cuz dps isn't your prinary role.

Now look at me again and then at your Executioner:

There are two midslots and one of them is occupied by an MWD so you could catch up with that nano-Cane/Drake. The other slots is given to a Warp Disruptor/Scrambler so that BC won't warp out.

Now look at me while you orbit around your prey and then look at that salvo of missles that will instapop you cuz your signature is cruiser class. That wouldn't happen if you orbited on an AB. But if you trade MWD for it you won't catch anything.

T1 Ceptors would actually need that extra mid slot to do their job.

And the problem is that you can't give it to a tier1 frig cuz it will obsolete orthodox rifter tacklers((

Good.

Let them be obsolete as tacklers. Let there focus be what it should be, a Combat Frigate. Sure Combat Frigates will still be able to tackle just not as well as Tackle Frigates. They will however be able to fight better.

That is variety and variety is a good thing.

Half the price before rigs and modules, and then you get the money for the hull back from insurance when it pops so the price difference is a very bad argument for the tier system.

Also, the tier 3 BC's do not fit into the tier system in the same well as most other ships, this time CCP actually seemed to balance them by making them very fragile compared to the lower tier BC's instead of just giving them more slots, pg, cpy and hp like they did when they made the tier 2 BCs.

You mean a thread to post ideas on how to fix the lower tier ships? You can either post them in this thread or on our F&I thread.