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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#801 - 2014-09-16 01:22:56 UTC
Mackenzie Nolen wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
FYI, also from the same post, a few lines down:

(Edited from: Not an exploit per se, but excessively doing so will result in a warning. Don’t want the risk of wars being declared on you? Stay in NPC corps...)

In other words, their intent is ambiguous.


No. The "edited from" is what it USED to say. Before they changed the policy to say what it says NOW. Which is completely NOT ambiguous in any way. The "edited from" is just to maintain a revision history; it is not a statement about CURRENT policy.



Shhh...don't confuse the wardeccers with facts now.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#802 - 2014-09-16 01:28:11 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Mackenzie Nolen wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
FYI, also from the same post, a few lines down:

(Edited from: Not an exploit per se, but excessively doing so will result in a warning. Don’t want the risk of wars being declared on you? Stay in NPC corps...)

In other words, their intent is ambiguous.


No. The "edited from" is what it USED to say. Before they changed the policy to say what it says NOW. Which is completely NOT ambiguous in any way. The "edited from" is just to maintain a revision history; it is not a statement about CURRENT policy.



Shhh...don't confuse the wardeccers with facts now.


I'm aware of what it says.

The point is, the changed their mind once.

But you've never really been very good at getting points have you Beers.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#803 - 2014-09-16 11:00:28 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Mackenzie Nolen wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
FYI, also from the same post, a few lines down:

(Edited from: Not an exploit per se, but excessively doing so will result in a warning. Don’t want the risk of wars being declared on you? Stay in NPC corps...)

In other words, their intent is ambiguous.


No. The "edited from" is what it USED to say. Before they changed the policy to say what it says NOW. Which is completely NOT ambiguous in any way. The "edited from" is just to maintain a revision history; it is not a statement about CURRENT policy.



Shhh...don't confuse the wardeccers with facts now.


I'm aware of what it says.

The point is, the changed their mind once.

But you've never really been very good at getting points have you Beers.



They changed their mind for a reason.

I suspect that reason was to reduce harassment of corps, meaning corps that keep hitting on the same corps that are incapable of fighting back.

Which comes back to, better to have people playing than bored sitting in stations or playing something else.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#804 - 2014-09-16 12:10:38 UTC
Grog Aftermath wrote:

I suspect that reason was to reduce harassment of corps, meaning corps that keep hitting on the same corps that are incapable of fighting back.


If you are "incapable of fighting back"(which I take to mean "unwilling", since everyone in this game has some gun skills trained by default) , then you don't deserve to be in a player corp in the first place.


Quote:

Which comes back to, better to have people playing than bored sitting in stations or playing something else.



You do realize that actually playing the game is an option on the table? Well, if you aren't terribad at EVE anyway. I've elaborated quite clearly that I often mission under a wardec, and then there's always the option of *gasp* fighting back.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#805 - 2014-09-16 12:32:22 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:

I suspect that reason was to reduce harassment of corps, meaning corps that keep hitting on the same corps that are incapable of fighting back.


If you are "incapable of fighting back"(which I take to mean "unwilling", since everyone in this game has some gun skills trained by default) , then you don't deserve to be in a player corp in the first place.



You say that, but what about a group of friends that are PvE orientated, if you were in charge their only option would be to leave the game and play another MMO.

Sure they could still group in an npc corp., but why should they when they can do it properly in another MMO.



I play in solo corps these days, If I couldn't have a solo corp. I wouldn't be here either.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#806 - 2014-09-16 12:37:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Grog Aftermath wrote:

You say that, but what about a group of friends that are PvE orientated, if you were in charge their only option would be to leave the game and play another MMO.


Nothing of the sort. And you know that, so it puzzles me why your side keeps repeating that lie.

Since they won't fight or interact with anyone else in the game anyway, their corp is no better than a chat channel to begin with.


Quote:


I play in solo corps these days, If I couldn't have a solo corp. I wouldn't be here either.


And if your sub honestly actually hinges on PvP not being allowed to happen in highsec, good riddance.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#807 - 2014-09-16 12:41:46 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:

You say that, but what about a group of friends that are PvE orientated, if you were in charge their only option would be to leave the game and play another MMO.


Nothing of the sort. And you know that, so it puzzles me why your side keeps repeating that lie.

Since they won't fight or interact with anyone else in the game anyway, their corp is no better than a chat channel to begin with.




Actually you are wrong.

A corp. is no different to a guild, being in an npc corp. is nothing like being in a corp./guild.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#808 - 2014-09-16 12:43:53 UTC
Grog Aftermath wrote:

Actually you are wrong.

A corp. is no different to a guild, being in an npc corp. is nothing like being in a corp./guild.


No, you perfectly well described a corp that is nothing more than a chat channel with a group hangar. Why you think those deserve to exist at the expense of crowding out PvP in highsec is beyond me.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#809 - 2014-09-16 12:46:51 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:


I play in solo corps these days, If I couldn't have a solo corp. I wouldn't be here either.


And if your sub honestly actually hinges on PvP not being allowed to happen in highsec, good riddance.



Don't think I've ever said there shouldn't be PvP in high-sec, you're starting to sound like a troll again.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#810 - 2014-09-16 12:49:12 UTC
Grog Aftermath wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:


I play in solo corps these days, If I couldn't have a solo corp. I wouldn't be here either.


And if your sub honestly actually hinges on PvP not being allowed to happen in highsec, good riddance.



Don't think I've ever said there shouldn't be PvP in high-sec, you're starting to sound like a troll again.


Which is why I said "honestly, actually", because while I have seen plenty of people who hold this opinion, it may not apply to you specifically.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#811 - 2014-09-16 12:52:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Besides, that is really what this comes down to.

The ONLY justification that the carebear side has put up for continuing to allow wardecs to remain toothless is all the theoretical people who would apparently quit the game if PvP were ever allowed in their vicinity.

Well, that and "you can't make me", which is basically the same cop out answer that verifies that such a person belongs in an NPC corp anyway.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#812 - 2014-09-16 13:05:26 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Besides, that is really what this comes down to.

The ONLY justification that the carebear side has put up for continuing to allow wardecs to remain toothless is all the theoretical people who would apparently quit the game if PvP were ever allowed in their vicinity.

Well, that and "you can't make me", which is basically the same cop out answer that verifies that such a person belongs in an NPC corp anyway.



That and their own selfish reasons, which blinds them to all reason and sense. They have to know it is wrong. No one, and I mean no one could be that low of an I.Q.

Me Me Me and all Me. screw balance. Screw, good for the game. Me Me Me
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#813 - 2014-09-16 13:09:39 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Besides, that is really what this comes down to.

The ONLY justification that the carebear side has put up for continuing to allow wardecs to remain toothless is all the theoretical people who would apparently quit the game if PvP were ever allowed in their vicinity.

Well, that and "you can't make me", which is basically the same cop out answer that verifies that such a person belongs in an NPC corp anyway.



That and their own selfish reasons, which blinds them to all reason and sense. They have to know it is wrong. No one, and I mean no one could be that low of an I.Q.

Me Me Me and all Me. screw balance. Screw, good for the game. Me Me Me


Personally, I blame the public school system.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#814 - 2014-09-16 13:10:36 UTC
Grog Aftermath wrote:


I play in solo corps these days, If I couldn't have a solo corp. I wouldn't be here either.



Basically then, you are saying that you want to be in a Corp for the benefits it offers. Remove that benefit and you'd be gone. The Only reason you are defending this mechanic is it keeps your benefits going. Sod trying to defend those benefits while I have absolute immunity from defending those benefits while still getting them.

Selfish
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#815 - 2014-09-16 13:27:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Grog Aftermath
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:


I play in solo corps these days, If I couldn't have a solo corp. I wouldn't be here either.



Basically then, you are saying that you want to be in a Corp for the benefits it offers. Remove that benefit and you'd be gone. The Only reason you are defending this mechanic is it keeps your benefits going. Sod trying to defend those benefits while I have absolute immunity from defending those benefits while still getting them.

Selfish



Except you didn't read an earlier post, or you've forgotten.


I don't disband and reform my corps.


The reason is purely that I like being in a solo corp. and don't particularly like npc corps.


Edit: Ok, might have confused you there, by going off topic a bit. What I was getting at, is if they made it impossible to have a solo corp. More in response because some people have a dislike for solo corps in this game.
Carl Pator
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#816 - 2014-09-16 13:33:50 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Besides, that is really what this comes down to.

The ONLY justification that the carebear side has put up for continuing to allow wardecs to remain toothless is all the theoretical people who would apparently quit the game if PvP were ever allowed in their vicinity.

Well, that and "you can't make me", which is basically the same cop out answer that verifies that such a person belongs in an NPC corp anyway.



That and their own selfish reasons, which blinds them to all reason and sense. They have to know it is wrong. No one, and I mean no one could be that low of an I.Q.

Me Me Me and all Me. screw balance. Screw, good for the game. Me Me Me


Wow, where is a mirror when you need one.

What are you looking to gain out of a war dec? A "gf o7" or a way to shoot carebears without being concorded? I would wager it's the latter. The war dec corps are their own worst enemies, if decs were done in a meaningful way instead of a concord dodge then you wouldn't have people dropping corp to avoid them in the first place.

Buck up buttercup you're not a special snowflake, if you want to play in highsec you have to play with the concord like the rest of us
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#817 - 2014-09-16 13:36:32 UTC
Carl Pator wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Besides, that is really what this comes down to.

The ONLY justification that the carebear side has put up for continuing to allow wardecs to remain toothless is all the theoretical people who would apparently quit the game if PvP were ever allowed in their vicinity.

Well, that and "you can't make me", which is basically the same cop out answer that verifies that such a person belongs in an NPC corp anyway.



That and their own selfish reasons, which blinds them to all reason and sense. They have to know it is wrong. No one, and I mean no one could be that low of an I.Q.

Me Me Me and all Me. screw balance. Screw, good for the game. Me Me Me


Wow, where is a mirror when you need one.

What are you looking to gain out of a war dec? A "gf o7" or a way to shoot carebears without being concorded? I would wager it's the latter. The war dec corps are their own worst enemies, if decs were done in a meaningful way instead of a concord dodge then you wouldn't have people dropping corp to avoid them in the first place.

Buck up buttercup you're not a special snowflake, if you want to play in highsec you have to play with the concord like the rest of us


Ah, the "e-bushido" argument. If you want fair fights, you're playing the wrong game.

And also, I would ask you what you think wars should be instead of a "concord dodge"? That's literally all they could ever be, a way to fight in highsec without the Infallible Magic Space Police interfering. I fail to see how that's a bad thing.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#818 - 2014-09-16 13:40:56 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Besides, that is really what this comes down to.

The ONLY justification that the carebear side has put up for continuing to allow wardecs to remain toothless is all the theoretical people who would apparently quit the game if PvP were ever allowed in their vicinity.

Well, that and "you can't make me", which is basically the same cop out answer that verifies that such a person belongs in an NPC corp anyway.



That and their own selfish reasons, which blinds them to all reason and sense. They have to know it is wrong. No one, and I mean no one could be that low of an I.Q.

Me Me Me and all Me. screw balance. Screw, good for the game. Me Me Me

This is priceless, coming from a group that is hell-bent intent in changing the game to accommodate only the play style they personally approve of.

Especially love you discrediting those that disagree with you with ad hominem jabs. I mean, really, how low of an I.Q. must they have? Really low, I suppose.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Absolutely Not Analt
Carebears on Fire
#819 - 2014-09-16 13:44:16 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Besides, that is really what this comes down to.

The ONLY justification that the carebear side has put up for continuing to allow wardecs to remain toothless is all the theoretical people who would apparently quit the game if PvP were ever allowed in their vicinity.

Well, that and "you can't make me", which is basically the same cop out answer that verifies that such a person belongs in an NPC corp anyway.



That and their own selfish reasons, which blinds them to all reason and sense. They have to know it is wrong. No one, and I mean no one could be that low of an I.Q.

Me Me Me and all Me. screw balance. Screw, good for the game. Me Me Me


Well hello there Mr Pot! Long time no see. Have you met my good friend Kettle yet?

Eve is a multi player game. And you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin Being meh at two things is not better than being great at one. - Lugh Crow-Slave
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#820 - 2014-09-16 13:46:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiply Rustic
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Carl Pator wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Besides, that is really what this comes down to.

The ONLY justification that the carebear side has put up for continuing to allow wardecs to remain toothless is all the theoretical people who would apparently quit the game if PvP were ever allowed in their vicinity.

Well, that and "you can't make me", which is basically the same cop out answer that verifies that such a person belongs in an NPC corp anyway.



That and their own selfish reasons, which blinds them to all reason and sense. They have to know it is wrong. No one, and I mean no one could be that low of an I.Q.

Me Me Me and all Me. screw balance. Screw, good for the game. Me Me Me


Wow, where is a mirror when you need one.

What are you looking to gain out of a war dec? A "gf o7" or a way to shoot carebears without being concorded? I would wager it's the latter. The war dec corps are their own worst enemies, if decs were done in a meaningful way instead of a concord dodge then you wouldn't have people dropping corp to avoid them in the first place.

Buck up buttercup you're not a special snowflake, if you want to play in highsec you have to play with the concord like the rest of us


Ah, the "e-bushido" argument. If you want fair fights, you're playing the wrong game.

And also, I would ask you what you think wars should be instead of a "concord dodge"? That's literally all they could ever be, a way to fight in highsec without the Infallible Magic Space Police interfering. I fail to see how that's a bad thing.


If, when all the extraneous noise is filtered out, what's being said is "There should be no way out of wardecs for anyone, corp member or corp officers, until the corp laying down the dec loses the war or loses interest." or same variation of that theme then all I can say is that I'm glad CCP sees it otherwise.

If a member of a corp's only option other then 'fight back!' (let's not be too disingenuous here, there are fights that can't be won, that are stupid for one side to undertake) is 'don't play until we're bored with you" then you have a bad game.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.