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Earn up to 20B/month by hunting Evil in Branch

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#121 - 2014-09-16 03:03:54 UTC
also, if he wants to wave his numbers around he's still going to feel inadequate because we spent a pitiful sum of money on paying one half of the working class to kill the other half in hulkageddon 2012, and when it came to exhumers we were paying out 100m for every 10 exhumers killed, i.e. 25-30b damage per billion spent

and even with that ridiculous efficiency those who participated still made a healthy profit, while gevlon has only been paying wardec fees

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#122 - 2014-09-16 06:43:48 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
I think if Goblin was as irrelevant CFC people say he was, they wouldn't be posting so much. Not supporting/detracting from Goblin...just saying.
This "They posted therefore he's winning!" thing is so overused and badly thought out it's unreal. Most people, but goons especially, will post a lot on the forums, that's what happens. When the OP is pants on head ********, expect more posts, not less (see dinsdale, harry forever, etc) but it certainly doesn't make the OP relevant, not even remotely.

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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#123 - 2014-09-16 11:25:41 UTC
I'd love it if you would hire pursuit of happiness. They give good fights.

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Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#124 - 2014-09-16 13:28:40 UTC
I guess if you get your PVP sponsored by Gevlon, you can spend more hours hunting ratters instead of grinding ISK for yourself.

Hell, at least he is throwing his ISK at people instead of the ISK gathering dust in his wallet \o/

Oh and also: threads like this are pretty entertaining.

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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#125 - 2014-09-16 16:02:38 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

. I think Hard Knocks will get a large share of the September Branch bounty.

But it's not over! *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

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PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#126 - 2014-09-16 23:23:12 UTC
Quote:

Circle-Of-Two Declares War Against Mordus Angels
From: CONCORD
Sent: 2014.09.14 05:12

Circle-Of-Two has declared war on Mordus Angels.
Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. If war is due to a corporation at war joining an alliance, then the war starts immediately instead.

Guess we're doing something right. <3
Gericht
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#127 - 2014-09-17 14:34:56 UTC
Not everyone in the CFC is a multibillionaire.

Truer words were never spoken.
I am one of those poor, sad non mulitbillionair CFC players.

So lets see how this campaign would affect me (though I live in Delve, we just had a similar situation before all our non-cfc friends left)
My current total liquid ISK is about 7 B
In assets I have about 5B worth of ships, most of which are doctrine vessels scattered about CFC space gathering dust.
Due to a the horrible affliction of RL and a steady job I do not need to PLEX, but also do not have all that much time.

I spend my mornings during breakfast running my (bad) PI setup earning about 25-30M a day.
When I log in I check if there is anything fun going on, and if not I tend to rat a single anom before just going off to do something else.

Now lets say GG's campaign takes off and a cloacky camper appears in EACH CFC system AND they have a permanent fleet ready to be bridged in bridge range of every CFC system, with the cloacky campers being active 23/7 so any ratting vessel gets dropped on.
This will prevent me from gettting ISK trough ratting, though it does nothing to my PI income, as I've never seen a cloacky camper attack an unfitted 1M worth transport without any real loot.

That would mean that the roaming gangs (active at the same time as the standby hotdrop fleets) sponsored by GG would have to cost me about 30M losses daily on average to start hitting my wallet. Since I do small gang PVP in cheap ships and generally in groups I doubt that will happen.
But suppose they are horribly effective and I play in expensive ships and I lose 100M monthly. That means that with my current truly sad wallet, I'd be able to take that loss for just under six years before I cannot afford more ships. This of course assumes no SRP at all.
And in those six years I'd have a guarantueed PvP experience every single time I logged on.

I don't really see a downside here. When will the Delve version begin?
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#128 - 2014-09-17 21:17:23 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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CyberRaver
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#129 - 2014-09-18 09:17:10 UTC
Indeed keep paying mordus to sit in station as we make billions a night
alpha36
Northern Freight Unlimited
Young Miners Christian Association
#130 - 2014-09-18 17:19:35 UTC
snipe

Yo Gevlon, heres how you hurt an alliance you should try it http://imgur.com/nUilG32
Alp Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2014-09-18 17:27:53 UTC
alpha36 wrote:
snipe

Yo Gevlon, heres how you hurt an alliance you should try it http://imgur.com/nUilG32


Another proof that Gevlon does not know what he is talking about. But I suppose he will eventually roll this up to MoA being terrible and insist that his non-sensical theories are effective on achieving an objective. (They aren't)
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#132 - 2014-09-18 17:54:25 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Alp Khan wrote:
Another proof that Gevlon does not know what he is talking about. But I suppose he will eventually roll this up to MoA being terrible and insist that his non-sensical theories are effective on achieving an objective. (They aren't)


  1. MoA lost less members in the last 30 days than PBLRD. I'm sure they'll be OK. *Snip* Removed off-topic part of the post. ISD Ezwal.
  2. Size doesn't matter, Marmite Collective lost 1/3 of their members in the last 3 months without any decrease in killing CFC
  3. Do I have MoA ticker? If MoA really failcascades (they won't), I just look at the CFC loss table, pick the #1 (likely PASTA) and support them. The bottleneck is money. Finding someone who shoot CFC for it isn't that hard.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#133 - 2014-09-18 18:09:50 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:
Another proof that Gevlon does not know what he is talking about. But I suppose he will eventually roll this up to MoA being terrible and insist that his non-sensical theories are effective on achieving an objective. (They aren't)


  1. MoA lost less members in the last 30 days than PBLRD. I'm sure they'll be OK. *Snip* Removed off-topic part of the post. ISD Ezwal.
  2. Size doesn't matter, Marmite Collective lost 1/3 of their members in the last 3 months without any decrease in killing CFC
  3. Do I have MoA ticker? If MoA really failcascades (they won't), I just look at the CFC loss table, pick the #1 (likely PASTA) and support them. The bottleneck is money. Finding someone who shoot CFC for it isn't that hard.

1. PBLRD doesn't need line members in corps to receive rent. MoA however does need members to keep fighting. *Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.
2. Well it really does. Perhaps it doesn't when your corp sits on an undock ganking industry ships and haulers, but when you are front line fighting a coalition, it tends to help if you can fill a fleet or two.
3. Lol, indeed. Because you don't actually do what you do for the reasons you say you do. You don't give a crap about the idiots you exploit, only about yourself. What could really be expected from someone with the tagline "exploiting morons and slackers". It's only a matter of time before the groups you command around realise you are talking about them and tell you where to stick it.

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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#134 - 2014-09-18 18:42:11 UTC
it's been really hilarious how mad moa has been that whenever one of our squads gets bored and camps their home station suddenly they can't undock for days

its a harsh place to be for an alliance that bases its identity on killing goonies, that they get crushed underfoot by one of our squads as a lark so badly they start shedding hundreds of members
Alp Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2014-09-18 19:41:08 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:
Another proof that Gevlon does not know what he is talking about. But I suppose he will eventually roll this up to MoA being terrible and insist that his non-sensical theories are effective on achieving an objective. (They aren't)


  1. MoA lost less members in the last 30 days than PBLRD. I'm sure they'll be OK. *Snip* Removed off-topic part of the post. ISD Ezwal.
  2. Size doesn't matter, Marmite Collective lost 1/3 of their members in the last 3 months without any decrease in killing CFC
  3. Do I have MoA ticker? If MoA really failcascades (they won't), I just look at the CFC loss table, pick the #1 (likely PASTA) and support them. The bottleneck is money. Finding someone who shoot CFC for it isn't that hard.




PBLRD numbers fluctuate all the time. *Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.

Besides, size does matter. There's serious strife within MoA currently, because we are killing their main means of income and permacamping the NPC station they stage in with a token force. You really should request access to MoA forums and read the line members thoughts. The rage and anger about not being able to do anything is huge. Everytime I read up MoA forums, I chuckle.

You do not have any ticker, yet you have the audacity to claim their kills with insignificant contributions. This is why you are called out on shifting goal posts. If say, MoA or Marmite could harm us in a meaningful way, you'd be the first in line to claim credit for it. Yet when they suffer and start to bleed out, you say "I don't have their ticker". In that case, you wasted your time and money on a fool's errand.

Seriously Gevlon, is there any permanent strategic damage you have incurred on CFC so far? You keep saying that you made us give up our highsec POCOs, yet the truth of the matter is, we only transferred them to RvB, which you claim to be our highsec arm.

You have been spending months of time and billions of ISK on this 'project', yet you have nothing to show up for. And the weirdest thing here is, I actually want you to continue wasting your time and ISK on a wild goose chase. It is quite funny.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#136 - 2014-09-18 21:33:31 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
it's been really hilarious how mad moa has been that whenever one of our squads gets bored and camps their home station suddenly they can't undock for days

its a harsh place to be for an alliance that bases its identity on killing goonies, that they get crushed underfoot by one of our squads as a lark so badly they start shedding hundreds of members

Actually can shed some light on that, if you like.

So, apparently, people that have supers, titans, and enough isk and sp to effectivley fly everything from T3's to carriers eventually get bored of flying interceptors and dessies 90% of the time. Who would have thought, right? Some of these moves have been in the works for a long time. Have your spies check our forums if you don't believe me.

As for your camp, you've been camping in the same 3 afk blues for the past week and a half. The bulk of us went elsewhere a while back to **** with CO2 resulting in this gem:
Quote:

Circle-Of-Two Declares War Against Mordus Angels
From: CONCORD
Sent: 2014.09.14 05:12

Circle-Of-Two has declared war on Mordus Angels.
Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. If war is due to a corporation at war joining an alliance, then the war starts immediately instead.

Isn't it cute?
Mr Omniblivion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#137 - 2014-09-18 21:58:51 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:

As for your camp, you've been camping in the same 3 afk blues for the past week and a half. The bulk of us went elsewhere a while back to **** with CO2 resulting in this gem:
Quote:

Circle-Of-Two Declares War Against Mordus Angels
From: CONCORD
Sent: 2014.09.14 05:12

Circle-Of-Two has declared war on Mordus Angels.
Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. If war is due to a corporation at war joining an alliance, then the war starts immediately instead.

Isn't it cute?


Wow, that there sure is a gem

-Mr Omniblivion
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#138 - 2014-09-21 14:17:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Gevlon Goblin
What's the purpose of owning Sov and structures in space?
If it is to just look at it and say "we own it", then you are right, CFC is great and MoA is ****. Too bad that no CFC leader ever told it and with BoTLord they openly stated that they do not wish to own more.

The only other purpose of having Sov and structures is enabling ISK making. Towers mean moon materials and Sov means ratting space (for members and renters). Without ratters, Sov is just empty space that eats CONCORD costs.

While the Goon propaganda brigade can shout as loud as they can "we don't give a damn for dead ratters", the fact that Deklein is the #1 ratting region and Branch is the #2 in nullsec testifies otherwise. The fact that Goons and their minions rat more than literally anyone else proves without doubt that Goons and their minions want to rat.

Whoever stops them from ratting takes something important from them. And MoA - even by your words - is very good in doing that.

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com

Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#139 - 2014-09-21 14:55:56 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
What's the purpose of owning Sov and structures in space?


To have a home. A home where we live, where we have everything that we work for and ultimately where we make a stand.

Here we are. We are here because we can defend it against everyone who ever wanted to take it from us.

We have a capital and it's an open challenge to all our enemies to take it. The fact that we have it and hold it proves our united strength because it's a home that is defended by us and not by game mechanics.

It's the difference between living in a station and squatting in a station.

When MOA are defeated in a fight for their own home, they dock up and wait for the enemies to get bored and leave.

When our home is attacked we defend it or we lose it all together. We are committed to it and we will hold the line for our home and all the citizens that live there. Against any and all enemies.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#140 - 2014-09-21 14:57:38 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
The fact that Goons and their minions rat more than literally anyone else proves without doubt that Goons and their minions want to rat.

Whoever stops them from ratting takes something important from them. And MoA - even by your words - is very good in doing that.

Getting your ratting ship blown up every once in a while doesn't stop you from ratting. Just based on number of NPC kills in dek and branch it doesn't seem like you're having *any* effect despite the billions you are supposedly spending.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise