Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Incursions don't give Bounty, they only give CONCORD site completion rewards. Missions in NPC 00 sec (such as Curse, Stain, Delve, Venal, Fountain) have mission rats with no bounty. These are empire rats which drop tags in return (you remember the fancy Republic Fleet Commander I Insignia?) And missions are as above.

Everybody flys around in space shooting things. Those things grant ISK for killing them. But how? Are we expected to believe that CONCORD is watching every single NPC in the entire universe? In nullsec, where CONCORD doesn't exist, they somehow know instantly that you've killed Gistatis Nullifier_158473 and pay you your 120,000 ISK? They would want proof surely?

I propose we remove the NPC bounty system in exchange for dropped tags, much like the blue loot from sleeper NPCs, that you can sell at NPC stations. These stations would be one per region and would not exist in sov null. To compensate for this, sov null NPCs could drop higher value tags.

This would change:
- You have to loot all the wrecks if you want your ISK. While you're looting, you might as well salvage. This creates another use for mobile tractors and noctises. It also puts those things in space with valuable cargo, where they can be shot at. Hostiles come into your ratting system, do you dock up and abandon all the loot from the site you just finished, or do you fight them off?

- Are you roaming nullsec and annoyed that no one will fight you? Well now you can make money with your 20-man interceptor gang. Those bears that docked up left several million ISK on the field when they bailed from their site.

- You now have to get your tags to the NPC station in order to get paid. This again, puts ships in space with valuable cargo. Sov null has farther to travel to sell their tags, but their tags are worth more.

- Creates an opportunity for an enterprising individual to buy your tags in the ratting/missioning hubs at less than value and then move said tags to the NPC buy orders 22 jumps away. Once more, valuable cargo in space able to be shot at.

- Creates an opportunity for actual ninja salvaging. At present, the salvage in a level 4 mission is rarely worth more than 4-5million. People do it in the hopes of getting a clueless mission bear to shoot them. But if there was also 20million in bounty-tags in those wrecks, suddenly it might be worth bringing a friend along to shoot that pesky little Incursus that's been ninja looting your wrecks.

In short, CONCORD doesn't exist in a large amount of the space that generates instant bounties. Removing these instant bounties and instead tieing the payouts to an item that you have to sell to NPC orders creates content as well as new proffessions.

You may now commence calling me names. o/

...Okay, right, so, literally the only way to make isk in nullsec if you happen to not have a friendly jump freighter service is to run incursions. Which probably aren't going to spawn in a place that you are able to get to to run them. And are a giant 'shiny **** is right here guise' beacon to all and sundry.

And you don't see a problem with this.

I'd just like to ask, have you ever actually set foot outside of highsec?

You could always use the stations in NPC null or low sec :)

So, if you kill Blood Raider NPC, you collect their tags and then go to 1DH or 319 and turn them in to get ... ISK?

Bringing the tags to Low sec stations, either CONCORD or Faction Navys, shouldn't be too much of a hassle. In Low sec, you can't be bubbled and an insta dock with active AP as well as an insta undock saves you from insta locking campers, if there were any at all. Low sec is so dead in some areas, this constant travel of tag turn-iners could actually be a good thing for Low sec as well, as more people travel through the Low sec. Naturally, you can also turn in the tags in High sec CONCORD and Faction Navy stations.

So you have a problem with risking shiny ships? Really? I find it very disturbing reading that from a coalition who very vocally demands more PVP integration in PVE activities and more PVP in High sec and for carebears.
And risk in a system where you can't be cyno dropped is not really there if you do it properly. And you have to travel a bit to get "easy" ratting (it's not easy at all, to be fair) is also not a problem because then you get around your space a bit and don't just hang around in 1 system.

It is not the only way to make ISK? As said, missions in 00 already require you to collect tags and it's not a problem at all for the mission runners in NPC 00. And your coalition is even pushing for missions in Sov 00 instead of the anom ratting system. You can, furthermore, still run anoms, still do DEDs, still do Data/Relic, and do other stuff related to money making if CCP would provide better PVE content -- which apparently is not something the game's populace wants.

Oh, and please check my corp history and my killboard to answer your last question.

Throw tags into interceptor or blockade runner, or cloaky nullified T3 -> jump freighter no longer required.

Run three sites, dropping MTUs in each one, then come back in a noctis to sites that can't be warped to anymore and salvage em all in one go. It takes longer, but the payouts are increased.

Interceptors are uncatchable unless the camp is setup specifically to catch them, even then they're still damned near impossible to catch. Blockade runners are made for running blockades (the name gives a hint) and I've ran 6-7 billion ISK worth of sleeper loot through 15+ man gatecamps on many occasions. Like Interceptors, they're damned near impossible to catch unless you're set up specifically for them, and even then they're still hard to catch.

At the end of the day though, there's nothing stopping you from selling tags to your corp at slightly reduced rates and having them JF them to the stations to sell. If you've in sov null and no one in your corp has a jump freighter (heck, use a carrier) then you've got bigger issues than getting your tags to market.