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CCP: You have all the data, run a killboard with it.
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Nika Dekaia
#21 - 2011-12-08 21:50:37 UTC
CCP once stated that they really like the information gathering and uncertainities involved in gathering informations right now.

Not having a 100% accurate killboard adds to the experiance, imo.

CCP killboard is not needed.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#22 - 2011-12-08 21:51:28 UTC
I would be behind this only if it was opt-IN.

Then again, I'm weird and don't even like that KMs can be API verified.
Robert Tables
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2011-12-08 22:28:11 UTC
Chanina wrote:
Would be nice to see an killboard from ccp.

Concerning privacy:
Hey the guy who shot you already has the killmail on you an most likely he is registered to a killboard posting his victim.

If you don't want your CEO to publish corp killmails talk to him or found your own corp. If you don't want to be on a killmail as victim... well avoid to be victim. 99% chance is that your killer is posting it whether you want it or not. So no reason why your ceo should try to hide it.

You assume that only the losing party wouldn't want to post a killmail, and that every winning party would/should want to broadcast to the entire EVE Community where, what, and when they operate.

I agree that a central CCP-controlled killboard would be a better solution than the myriad that we have now, but in the end, I think it should be up to each individual if they want to post their particular win or loss report. A given corp or alliance may not want to broadcast every win and so could practice a degree of OPSEC, counter-intel, and information warfare by posting some or none of their killmails.
Hadez411
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-12-08 23:19:01 UTC
Endovior wrote:
Presumably because some people don't want their killmails posted, so privacy issue.

Not that I agree, but I understand the motivation. I'd recommend that, if something like this were implemented, to make it 'opt-out' rather then 'opt-in'; anyone who cares enough to remove themselves from the central killboard could do so, but the average guy, either not caring or not motivated enough to find and click the appropriate button, would stay there. That would make a better killboard then the current 'opt-in' systems like Battleclinic, which puts up a barrier to entry by requiring that people either post their own mails, or submit API info. Low barrier, I know, but enough to exclude a lot people, who simply don't bother to sign up for any killboards, and thus only show up on the kills of others.



They could always just classify location for a while.
Hadez411
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-12-08 23:20:41 UTC
Endovior wrote:
Presumably because some people don't want their killmails posted, so privacy issue.

Not that I agree, but I understand the motivation. I'd recommend that, if something like this were implemented, to make it 'opt-out' rather then 'opt-in'; anyone who cares enough to remove themselves from the central killboard could do so, but the average guy, either not caring or not motivated enough to find and click the appropriate button, would stay there. That would make a better killboard then the current 'opt-in' systems like Battleclinic, which puts up a barrier to entry by requiring that people either post their own mails, or submit API info. Low barrier, I know, but enough to exclude a lot people, who simply don't bother to sign up for any killboards, and thus only show up on the kills of others.



They could always just classify location for a while.
R0Y4L
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#26 - 2011-12-09 04:14:21 UTC
totally would be sweet to see a KB made by CCP ..
as for privacy .. WTF its a game get over it ..
the person that kills you wont be all like "i will respect your privacy and not post this to any killboard"

IF YOU DONT WANNA DIE DONT FLY Twisted

**IF  YOU   DONT  WANNA  DIE  DONT  FLY  **
Rina Asanari
CitadeI
#27 - 2011-12-09 07:30:18 UTC
Obvious trollpost is obvious.

As said before, I cannot prevent the winner of the fight using his killmail or maybe building some killmail on his own, noting down the time, place and ships involved and maybe the loot being salvaged. But that's all I'd want to be handed out. Simply said, nothing more than what is viewable in the overview and when looking at or into the wreck.

Even as a winner, when comparing the benefits of "operating under the radar" (meaning, no one has any idea of my favourite stomping grounds/loadouts/activity times) to "bragging rights" I'd still favour obscurity. If the loser doesn't want to publicize his loss, all the better for me, the next target may still be unaware of me being around.

It's about choice. I'd like to have the choice of not making my kills public. Current mechanics (Corp API key) take that away already enough, a CCP driven killboard would make that even worse.
Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-12-09 08:23:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ganthrithor
Rina Asanari wrote:
Obvious trollpost is obvious.

As said before, I cannot prevent the winner of the fight using his killmail or maybe building some killmail on his own, noting down the time, place and ships involved and maybe the loot being salvaged. But that's all I'd want to be handed out. Simply said, nothing more than what is viewable in the overview and when looking at or into the wreck.

Even as a winner, when comparing the benefits of "operating under the radar" (meaning, no one has any idea of my favourite stomping grounds/loadouts/activity times) to "bragging rights" I'd still favour obscurity. If the loser doesn't want to publicize his loss, all the better for me, the next target may still be unaware of me being around.

It's about choice. I'd like to have the choice of not making my kills public. Current mechanics (Corp API key) take that away already enough, a CCP driven killboard would make that even worse.


You could always set it so that only people you set +10 or people in your corp or whatever could see the "detailed" information using the system that was already suggested.

Having the capability out there with the option to disable / restrict access > not having the capability in the first place.
Fade Azura
Weaponized Autists Cartel
#29 - 2011-12-09 11:19:26 UTC
An official CCP killboard would be a great idea .... im sure it would create tons of internet traffic as well and give them lots of opportunites to advertise for their game. it would probably sink battleclinic and eve-kill though. but they are past their prime anyway. DO IT
Noisrevbus
#30 - 2011-12-09 14:09:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Noisrevbus
An official killboard have a nice appeal in both reliability and it's ability to crossreference difficult-to-obtain data.

Let me give you an example: alot of killboards in today's landscape of various alts, alt-corps and the complex political ties have problems sorting out sides - leading to many mismatched summaries that require further polishing through comments or battle reports to make an accurate account. It also leads to exploitation such as shooting your own ships to balance out killboard efficiency. I'm not saying it couldn't be done on existing killboards, but a CCP killboard would have a much easier time siding up participation based on standing and filtering summaries accurately. It would also remove a barrier of development for new interesting features with modulation.

Going back not more than a year i might have agreed that killboard meta-gaming added to immersion, but the state the killboards and the game are in at the moment make official statistics so much more interesting.

ed. spelling.
GeneralKool
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2011-12-11 16:26:48 UTC
Robert Tables wrote:

You assume that only the losing party wouldn't want to post a killmail, and that every winning party would/should want to broadcast to the entire EVE Community where, what, and when they operate.

I agree that a central CCP-controlled killboard would be a better solution than the myriad that we have now, but in the end, I think it should be up to each individual if they want to post their particular win or loss report. A given corp or alliance may not want to broadcast every win and so could practice a degree of OPSEC, counter-intel, and information warfare by posting some or none of their killmails.


Valid point right here, I haven't thought about the the winning party attempting to hide their activities.

I still think a CCP kb is a better solution to what we have right now, but I now believe the option to make some information (e.g. location of the fight) private would be necessary.
bongpacks
Rules of Acquisition
#32 - 2012-03-05 05:05:58 UTC
If there is a CCP killboard, one thing they could do to stand out from already existing killboards would be to offer a cross-reference feature. Like say I see a corp name that looks familiar and I want to see if I've killed any of them before, would be nice to just have a form where I could fill in two or more corp names, hit search and be presented with any kills where both corporations were involved.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#33 - 2012-03-05 05:49:12 UTC
I'd rather see regularly updated statistics than an actual killboard.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#34 - 2012-03-05 06:20:03 UTC
I'm guessing there are two points, outside of CCP wanting to deliberately keep the system imperfect. Which I sincerely hope isn't their reasoning, because KBs are a major PITA at the moment.

1) The gain for creating their own KB is minimal, especially given the costs and effort of maintaining one and that fact this is already done by a 3rd party for free.

2) Battle clinic is a long standing business partner of CCP's, they advertise on their behalf and provide multiple services to users to gain site traffic. Cutting into their primary source of traffic might not be in CCP's best interests.

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