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Mitara Newelle
Newelle Family
#101 - 2014-09-15 17:34:34 UTC
Vizage, and others... I am sure Directrix Mithra would be happy to engage you in further debate elsewhere...

As to the subject of this thread, I doubt the heretic will cease his blasphemies, but for now at least this one has been put to an end.

Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#102 - 2014-09-15 17:36:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
Vizage wrote:
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
If you have a point, it flies just past me, as it just doesn't fit to what I said.


You point was you just used empirical math to prove a logical fallacy.

You are aware that this statement doesn't make sense on so many levels? I won't respond any further to this nonsensical babble. I suggest you start thinking before writing, and reading before thinking, if you are able to do so.


It makes perfect sense. What you depicted was the mathematical example of affirming the consequence.

I'll take your attacks against me, instead of my points as a sign that you've emptied your fallacious arsenal.

Do hope you have a good day though.

Regards.

-V
Anslo
Scope Works
#103 - 2014-09-15 17:38:27 UTC
Must be that time of the month I guess?

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#104 - 2014-09-15 18:01:35 UTC
This thread certainly took a theatrical turn.

Someone be sure to nudge me when it's time to blow up more of Nauplius's assets.

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Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#105 - 2014-09-15 18:05:33 UTC
Mitara Newelle wrote:
Vizage, and others... I am sure Directrix Mithra would be happy to engage you in further debate elsewhere...

As to the subject of this thread, I doubt the heretic will cease his blasphemies, but for now at least this one has been put to an end.

With all due respect, Admiral, I'm quite sure I wouldn't be happy to engage Ms. Vizage's strawmen anywhere.
Anslo
Scope Works
#106 - 2014-09-15 18:06:43 UTC
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
Mitara Newelle wrote:
Vizage, and others... I am sure Directrix Mithra would be happy to engage you in further debate elsewhere...

As to the subject of this thread, I doubt the heretic will cease his blasphemies, but for now at least this one has been put to an end.

With all due respect, Admiral, I'm quite sure I wouldn't be happy to engage Ms. Vizage's strawmen anywhere.

Could engage in something else though.

Involving bullets.

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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#107 - 2014-09-15 18:14:42 UTC
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
Mitara Newelle wrote:
Vizage, and others... I am sure Directrix Mithra would be happy to engage you in further debate elsewhere...

As to the subject of this thread, I doubt the heretic will cease his blasphemies, but for now at least this one has been put to an end.

With all due respect, Admiral, I'm quite sure I wouldn't be happy to engage Ms. Vizage's strawmen anywhere.


The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.

You're welcome to highlight at which point I set up this supposed straw man argument. Otherwise I'll just safely assuming you were hoping I wouldn't actually know what you were talking about, and let it slip by uncontested.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#108 - 2014-09-15 18:24:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Regarding the complaints against Ms. Ymladris's contributions to the assault, I will echo the assertion that there is no integrity in standing aside against threats like Blood Raiders, who are enemies of all CONCORD signataries. Criminals don't deserve equal rights or neutral coverage.
Jace Sarice
#109 - 2014-09-15 18:25:30 UTC
Vizage wrote:

The entire concept of peer review is based on the default position of scepticism and challenges.


Yes, your default position is a particular form of skepticism - not 'science.' If 'science' had a default position, 'philosophy of science' would not be a subset of inquiry. The vast majority of the nonsense in the last part of this thread could easily be avoided if you organized your terminology and used it properly instead of conflating disparate concepts.
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#110 - 2014-09-15 18:31:44 UTC
Jace Sarice wrote:
Vizage wrote:

The entire concept of peer review is based on the default position of scepticism and challenges.


Yes, your default position is a particular form of skepticism - not 'science.' If 'science' had a default position, 'philosophy of science' would not be a subset of inquiry. The vast majority of the nonsense in the last part of this thread could easily be avoided if you organized your terminology and used it properly instead of conflating disparate concepts.


Sorry but that's a false equivalency. Just because the scientific method requires a default position of scepticism does not in anyway refute the Philosophy of science. Self criticism requires a method just as standard criticism does.
Anslo
Scope Works
#111 - 2014-09-15 18:33:04 UTC
So I managed to read through Vizies argument here, and from what I can get, Mithra is saying morality falls under the pervue of philosophy (which has VERY different standards in terms of research, analysis, etc), while...Vizage says it isn't? I'm sorry, but I prefer to the point statements/arguments. A bit too much flowery language and beating around the bush for me to actually find out what all the anger is about.

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Jace Sarice
#112 - 2014-09-15 18:43:38 UTC
Vizage wrote:
Just because the scientific method requires a default position of scepticism . . .


This was one of the conflations I was speaking of. But I believe Ms. Mithra was correct in leaving this discussion. Nothing useful will come of it.
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#113 - 2014-09-15 18:51:08 UTC
Jace Sarice wrote:
Vizage wrote:
Just because the scientific method requires a default position of scepticism . . .


This was one of the conflations I was speaking of. But I believe Ms. Mithra was correct in leaving this discussion. Nothing useful will come of it.



The chief characteristic which distinguishes the scientific method from other methods of acquiring knowledge is that scientists seek to let reality speak for itself, supporting a theory when a theory's predictions are confirmed and challenging a theory when its predictions prove false.

I'm unsure how exactly I'm conflating the two?
Anslo
Scope Works
#114 - 2014-09-15 18:52:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Because different fields support said theories in different ways? What supports theories in natural sciences does not necessarily work for those in the philosophical realm.

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Mitara Newelle
Newelle Family
#115 - 2014-09-15 19:08:13 UTC
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
Mitara Newelle wrote:
Vizage, and others... I am sure Directrix Mithra would be happy to engage you in further debate elsewhere...

As to the subject of this thread, I doubt the heretic will cease his blasphemies, but for now at least this one has been put to an end.

With all due respect, Admiral, I'm quite sure I wouldn't be happy to engage Ms. Vizage's strawmen anywhere.


Apologies, Directrix, I stand corrected.

It seems as though the not-so-subtle hint of a different venue was lost on some anyways.

Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#116 - 2014-09-15 19:15:26 UTC
Mitara Newelle wrote:
It seems as though the not-so-subtle hint of a different venue was lost on some anyways.

It will probably take a few more pages before it gets noticed, as is normal on the IGS.

Unfortunately.

What a refreshing change it would be, to not have this kind of nonsense, even if only for a week.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#117 - 2014-09-15 19:22:40 UTC
I wonder what it'd be replaced with, then? I am imagining a hollow and desolate wasteland.

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#118 - 2014-09-15 20:29:37 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
I wonder what it'd be replaced with, then? I am imagining a hollow and desolate wasteland.


Word games, riddles and the like. That would be entertaining...

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#119 - 2014-09-15 22:09:22 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Regarding the complaints against Ms. Ymladris's contributions to the assault, I will echo the assertion that there is no integrity in standing aside against threats like Blood Raiders, who are enemies of all CONCORD signataries. Criminals don't deserve equal rights or neutral coverage.

There are things way worse than just criminals: Federals, Republicans and Sansha.
And, to be honest, I would prefer equal rights and neutral coverage of criminals, than equal rights and neutral coverage of Gallente Federation, Minmatar Republic and Sansha Nation.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#120 - 2014-09-16 00:04:41 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Regarding the complaints against Ms. Ymladris's contributions to the assault, I will echo the assertion that there is no integrity in standing aside against threats like Blood Raiders, who are enemies of all CONCORD signataries. Criminals don't deserve equal rights or neutral coverage.

There are things way worse than just criminals: Federals, Republicans and Sansha.
And, to be honest, I would prefer equal rights and neutral coverage of criminals, than equal rights and neutral coverage of Gallente Federation, Minmatar Republic and Sansha Nation.

And we would prefer you lay off us for a thread or two, we all get to leave disappointed. YAY EQUALITY!!

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.