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Friend is quitting Eve after he is caught out with Bonus room scam

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Catalytic morphisis
Moonlit Marshmallow
No Therapy
#61 - 2014-06-18 14:41:17 UTC
OP, Learn that you are as much, if not more to blame for this neglect than your "friend" if he quits then its probably for the best, obviously couldn't deal with playing a game of risk. Teach you members basic **** like scam avoidance or fold your corp and join one where the leaders look out for their own

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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#62 - 2014-06-18 16:15:41 UTC
Catalytic morphisis wrote:
OP, Learn that you are as much, if not more to blame for this neglect than your "friend" if he quits then its probably for the best, obviously couldn't deal with playing a game of risk. Teach you members basic **** like scam avoidance or fold your corp and join one where the leaders look out for their own


Yup. Just what I said a few pages back.

OP wants the best of both worlds - he wants to wear the CEO hat and get others to follow him, but does not want to invest any time or energy into making sure his members are protected and educated.

On a side note - this is one of my favorite parts about EVE online. The bar to start your own corp is so low that it allows players with no real idea what they are doing at all to totally fail in a very amusing and public way :-)
Catalytic morphisis
Moonlit Marshmallow
No Therapy
#63 - 2014-06-18 16:19:58 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Catalytic morphisis wrote:
OP, Learn that you are as much, if not more to blame for this neglect than your "friend" if he quits then its probably for the best, obviously couldn't deal with playing a game of risk. Teach you members basic **** like scam avoidance or fold your corp and join one where the leaders look out for their own


Yup. Just what I said a few pages back.

OP wants the best of both worlds - he wants to wear the CEO hat and get others to follow him, but does not want to invest any time or energy into making sure his members are protected and educated.

On a side note - this is one of my favorite parts about EVE online. The bar to start your own corp is so low that it allows players with no real idea what they are doing at all to totally fail in a very amusing and public way :-)

my apologies I didn't see your post. But I agree with you completely

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#64 - 2014-06-19 22:10:17 UTC
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Ja'kar
Corporate Scum
#65 - 2014-06-20 23:09:09 UTC
OK retuned to EVE, what is a 'Bonus room scam'?

Did they charge him isk for a bonus room?

Or is it more complicated?
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#66 - 2014-06-20 23:29:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tengu Grib
Ja'kar wrote:
OK retuned to EVE, what is a 'Bonus room scam'?

Did they charge him isk for a bonus room?

Or is it more complicated?


It's a totally legit form of gambling. Basically, you contract everything you own and hand over all of your isk, then you perform various tasks, like reading the Halaima CODE in a funny accent or singing on comms, and allow the escrow agents to pod you repeatedly in alpha clones till you run out of SP, and if you complete all the assigned tasks they multiply your investment by 5. So if you fail or drop out early you literally lose everything. There was a scandal recently where Erotica1, the guy who started the bonus room, was permanently banned without warning or reason after Ripard Teg complained to CCP about the bonus room calling it torture. Google Sohkar bonus room if you'd like to know more.

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ElCholo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2014-06-20 23:46:46 UTC
Tengu Grib wrote:
Ja'kar wrote:
OK retuned to EVE, what is a 'Bonus room scam'?

Did they charge him isk for a bonus room?

Or is it more complicated?


It's a totally legit form of gambling. Basically, you contract everything you own and hand over all of your isk, then you perform various tasks, like reading the Halaima CODE in a funny accent or singing on comms, and allow the escrow agents to pod you repeatedly in alpha clones till you run out of SP, and if you complete all the assigned tasks they multiply your investment by 5. So if you fail or drop out early you literally lose everything. There was a scandal recently where Erotica1, the guy who started the bonus room, was permanently banned without warning or reason after Ripard Teg complained to CCP about the bonus room calling it torture. Google Sohkar bonus room if you'd like to know more.


I wouldn't even call it gambling. There's no real gamble. It's more just a test of nerves. As long as you can follow through with it and not lose your nerve or patients then you win.
Dally Lama
Doomheim
#68 - 2014-06-21 11:08:32 UTC
Catalytic morphisis wrote:
OP, Learn that you are as much, if not more to blame for this neglect than your "friend" if he quits then its probably for the best, obviously couldn't deal with playing a game of risk. Teach you members basic **** like scam avoidance or fold your corp and join one where the leaders look out for their own

It's about the guise you enter the game with. A lot of EVE players think they are very tough because they wouldn't quit if such a thing happened to them, but the truth is it's a matter of perspective.

If you were to enter the game under the guise that it's WoW in space, you as well would most definitely quit upon having such an experience. You may not be interested in ever playing WoW in space, but if you happened to make that decision, you wouldn't readily accept what happens in the bonus room.

Many of us entered the game thinking it's Lord of the Flies in space and as such, we can laugh off such a thing happening to us (and/or get copious amounts of revenge).

I am not at all scolding or condemning scamming or the bonus room, should add.

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Pine Marten
Doomheim
#69 - 2014-06-22 17:46:58 UTC
Banning people for whats said on private teamspeak servers. CCP does that now.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#70 - 2014-06-23 20:36:03 UTC
Pine Marten wrote:
Banning people for whats said on private teamspeak servers. CCP does that now.



What's next, banning people for abusive tweets?

Oh wait, that gets you hired.

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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#71 - 2014-09-15 04:06:17 UTC
I'm pretty sure your friend wouldn't have lasted much longer in the sandbox. Eve has a way of chewing up and spitting out those not equipped to handle it.

With that in mind, doubt he much of an asset to EVE. His possessions are clearly much better off in someone else's hands.

Also, do they still call them 'bonus rooms'? That is SO six months ago.
Sequester Risalo
German Corps of Engineers 17
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#72 - 2014-09-15 15:59:13 UTC
Tengu Grib wrote:
Ja'kar wrote:
OK retuned to EVE, what is a 'Bonus room scam'?

Did they charge him isk for a bonus room?

Or is it more complicated?


It's a totally legit form of gambling. Basically, you contract everything you own and hand over all of your isk, then you perform various tasks, like reading the Halaima CODE in a funny accent or singing on comms, and allow the escrow agents to pod you repeatedly in alpha clones till you run out of SP, and if you complete all the assigned tasks they multiply your investment by 5.


Funny how half the people claims that it's stupid to lower your status or SP just because being told and the other half claims that he was just missing the nerves to play this totally legit gamble. This doesn't add up.

Truth is, he should've been warned to not fall for scams. It's quite easy to avoid being stupid.

Pine Marten wrote:
Banning people for whats said on private teamspeak servers. CCP does that now.


Not only that. You get banned for defiling a private monument in a far away nordic harbour city. The entire playerbase found that acceptable. True story.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#73 - 2014-09-15 16:19:57 UTC
OP. If you are in any way serious then more details are needed such as the names of those in the Bonus Room, primarily the person that scammed your friend in the first place.

AS you know, scamming is perfectly acceptable activity in Eve and petitioning losses just wastes CCP's time. You should have warned your friend that scamming is allowed. ISK can be replaced, it makes no difference if he bought it with 'real money' or not. Stick to relevant information.

The only area where you have any hope of action is in your claim of cyberbullying. See the recent announcement regarding this and determine if you have a similar case.

I suspect (assuming this is in any way true in the first place) your friend is just stupid and made some poor choices. If he is new there is very little in the way of SP to be lost, sec-status can be bought back and ISK is just ISK. Noobs don't need much ISK. If he quits over any of those losses he doesn't belong in New Eden anyway.

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#74 - 2014-09-15 16:57:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
hetty B wrote:

...Bonus room scam and the controversy of Erotica1?
...
And i know those Cyber bullies like to record there hilarious bonus rounds ,does anyone know where we can find them to listen to it as we would like to determine how serious this one is ?

The recording of the masterful experiment in social interaction run by Ero 1 can be found here.

However, for your scurrilous use of the term 'cyber bully' applied to people simply metagaming within the framework of 'HTFU', 'Be The Villain' and 'Everything Is Fair Game' as marketed by CCP to this day, we must add a +1 to the Kill-It-Forward queue, while we await CCP's clarification of the 'HTFU' trademark, to perhaps 'HTFU..unless someones feelings get hurt' alternate version...

However, if you renounce your use of the term 'cyber bully' in the next 2 hours, the Kill-It-Forward warrant will be rescinded.

Otherwise, an innocent carebears blood will be harvested in your name, to fuel my Ashimmu....

F

Apologies on not following up on this earlier, as we continue to strive to decrease the turnaround-times on our valued service...

Two innocents have thus just had their pimp-mobiles murdered in hisec, in hopes of restoring faith in our service.

Bingo

BANGO!

Thank you for your understanding and patience in this matter, as we look forward to servicing you again in the future.

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2014-09-15 18:24:41 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
I'm pretty sure your friend wouldn't have lasted much longer in the sandbox. Eve has a way of chewing up and spitting out those not equipped to handle it.

With that in mind, doubt he much of an asset to EVE. His possessions are clearly much better off in someone else's hands.

Also, do they still call them 'bonus rooms'? That is SO six months ago.

And this thread is SO three months ago.

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#76 - 2014-09-15 18:28:02 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
I'm pretty sure your friend wouldn't have lasted much longer in the sandbox. Eve has a way of chewing up and spitting out those not equipped to handle it.

With that in mind, doubt he much of an asset to EVE. His possessions are clearly much better off in someone else's hands.

Also, do they still call them 'bonus rooms'? That is SO six months ago.

And this thread is SO three months ago.


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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#77 - 2014-09-15 19:23:27 UTC
hetty B wrote:

And i know those Cyber bullies like to record there hilarious bonus rounds ,does anyone know where we can find them to listen to it as we would like to determine how serious this one is ?


Maybe they like recording that, however they learned not to boast about it everywhere.
However, the only thing he can do is file it to CCP.

But i don't think much will happen.
The erotica ban was not about a bonus room per se, it was about the long time sadism the victim experienced. Hard to proof and to be honest, he was really dumb.

If he can't HTFU he needs to leave. What scam might he fall next time?

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Arkus Kane
UNN Heavy Industries
#78 - 2014-09-15 19:42:31 UTC
I had to Google what this scam is. IMO it's pretty cruel and unreasonable since it revolves around humiliating the victim first and foremost rather than making profit through their hubris and greed.

I can actually respect people who craft a masterful scam to make money. Not so much people who do dumb contract scams, corp theft or simply want to make people feel really awful for the hell of it.

HOWEVER...at the same time, I cannot believe that people are stupid enough to fall for it.

Right from the moment you start EVE you should know that people can and will screw you over at any opportunity. To be dumb enough to give someone your API AND contract them all your stuff is just breathtaking.

In real life, would you walk up to a shifty man in the street and give him your car keys, house keys, clothes, financial details and ID? Because if you would, you'd probably be certifiably insane in addition to being ripe for this scam.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#79 - 2014-09-15 20:30:30 UTC
Arkus Kane wrote:
I had to Google what this scam is. IMO it's pretty cruel and unreasonable since it revolves around humiliating the victim first and foremost rather than making profit through their hubris and greed.

I can actually respect people who craft a masterful scam to make money. Not so much people who do dumb contract scams, corp theft or simply want to make people feel really awful for the hell of it.

HOWEVER...at the same time, I cannot believe that people are stupid enough to fall for it.

Right from the moment you start EVE you should know that people can and will screw you over at any opportunity. To be dumb enough to give someone your API AND contract them all your stuff is just breathtaking.

In real life, would you walk up to a shifty man in the street and give him your car keys, house keys, clothes, financial details and ID? Because if you would, you'd probably be certifiably insane in addition to being ripe for this scam.

I touched on this in the Erotica 1 post. Surely Sohkar can THANK Erotica 1 in the future, when he goes to nagotiate his first RL mortgage, car loan or seeks investment advice. Won't he be much more likely to read the fine print and embrace 'buyer beware' and not be really scammed in the future, thanks to the lesson Erotica 1 taught him in game?

That is the beautiful transmogrification here many miss in their demonization of in-game 'griefers'. Gaming victimization tears are like a caterpillar, that will one day become a real-life 'disaster averted' success story butterfly.

Beautiful. ::sniff::

F

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#80 - 2014-09-15 21:22:04 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Arkus Kane wrote:
I had to Google what this scam is. IMO it's pretty cruel and unreasonable since it revolves around humiliating the victim first and foremost rather than making profit through their hubris and greed.

I can actually respect people who craft a masterful scam to make money. Not so much people who do dumb contract scams, corp theft or simply want to make people feel really awful for the hell of it.

HOWEVER...at the same time, I cannot believe that people are stupid enough to fall for it.

Right from the moment you start EVE you should know that people can and will screw you over at any opportunity. To be dumb enough to give someone your API AND contract them all your stuff is just breathtaking.

In real life, would you walk up to a shifty man in the street and give him your car keys, house keys, clothes, financial details and ID? Because if you would, you'd probably be certifiably insane in addition to being ripe for this scam.

I touched on this in the Erotica 1 post. Surely Sohkar can THANK Erotica 1 in the future, when he goes to nagotiate his first RL mortgage, car loan or seeks investment advice. Won't he be much more likely to read the fine print and embrace 'buyer beware' and not be really scammed in the future, thanks to the lesson Erotica 1 taught him in game?

That is the beautiful transmogrification here many miss in their demonization of in-game 'griefers'. Gaming victimization tears are like a caterpillar, that will one day become a real-life 'disaster averted' success story butterfly.

Beautiful. ::sniff::

F



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