Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As a prolific awoxer, I would like to point out to you that I have absolutely no problem getting into corps with a new account.

The claim that "most corps" don't let in new players is a complete falsehood. In fact, in the last 8 months I would venture to say that it's gotten easier.

And you missed the point.

He illustrated quite clearly how the person he was quoting was just using a variation of the "PvP doesn't belong in highsec" fallacy.

It's just a spin on "force all neg sec status players into lowsec".

cool story. start a new toon and duel on the jita undock, or war dec one of the high sec pvp corps, or go to sujarento and sit in a fw plex to see how well you do in a **** fit t1 frigate against established toons. If you get a single decent kill I'll be surprised, mostly you'll be running away and fortunately you'll probably know how to pick your fights, and how to disengage and get away when you need to, but a new player has to learn about all that as well, in the meantime it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Now factor in the fact that most new players are spending their early skills on industry and mining as a way to earn isk, and the fact that they barely understand the UI let alone all the different fits and counters and what they can and cannot fight... it takes months to learn the basics of pvp in eve, and years to master it. It's a huge learning curve everyone knows that (unless your idea of pvp is sitting in a gang of nado's on the jita undock instapopping noobs)

I don't think it's too much to ask that they be given 6 months to settle in before they are thrown to the dogs, if that's too much how about 3 months. You can still shoot at most of the players in the game, and the new players can still opt into wars if they want, and they can still be suicide ganked. I'm not talking about making High sec any safer than it already is: new players can avoid war even now by jumping into an NPC corp, the only difference is this way they get to stay in their player corp and continue their normal activities, and maybe learn something about pvp by watching their experienced corp mates take on the reds without having to get involved themselves until they feel ready. Why is this an issue? The only people who should be opposed to it are those who purposely hunt noobs to pad their killboards, or want to grief them out of player corps.

High sec should be a training ground for new players, but right now all the mechanics work in favor of the carebears who hunt them: Concord is what allows them to fly around in small gangs of battlecruisers picking off noobs with impunity. You don't see nearly as many gangs of BC's and battleships operating in low sec: because no concord to save them from real pvp corps. it's a bit pathetic, looks to me like carebears hide in high sec because they don't think they should be forced to fight better players, but don't think new players should be offered the same protection from them. Have I got that right or am I missing something because thats how it looks to me. I hate to say this because I like going to high sec to play casually and ponce around in a faction battleship every now and then, but if new players can't be afforded additional protection then maybe high sec should be purged of high skilled toons by nerfing all high sec income to a level that only new players would be happy with.

And clearly you do not understand that ISK and a characters trained skills are not the only thing that matters here.

In my corp we hold our own form of competitions to give the new players a bit of exposure to PvP and to allow them to see how they staack up against the vets in the corp. If I give a vet and a new player exactly the same ship with exactly the same fit the vet will win about 90% to 95% of these because they as human beings posses a better understanding of how to apply the tools they have at their disposal. Turn these competitions the other way and let each player decide on ship and fit and the vets win 100% of these because of those same human skills and knowledge.

I know that my 4 years of these experiences is not a definitive study on this issue but it does strongly indicate that we need to have some form of "protection" for lack of a better word in place to help encourage and retain our new players.
What form those "protections" shoudl take is really the big issue in my mind.

no you can deal with them at least neutral boosters are a much bigger problem

I don't agree with everything, but overall +1

#1 would just be nice so that gankers can't hide behind concord. If you have the incentive to prey on ships that can't fight back, i see nothing wrong with giving ppl incentive to prey on you. It may also create some content by adding more players with criminal status in highsec.

#2 not quite sold on. Wardecking is kinda broken as it is.

#3 agree. It won't stop someone from screwing the corp over which is good, but hopefully will result in increased recruitment and a decrease in noobs leaving / staying in NPC corps etc.

How? Not a single corp that is publicly recruiting but closed to new players even thinks of AWOXing for the reasons of their discrimination. Not a SINGLE one.

They all mentioned lack of experience and little desire to teach new players as the reasons for auto-rejecting new bros.

Most corps are in fact 'New player friendly'.

No Señor, Poco oso del cuidado Tsung never miss such things. There just was no circular logic in the OP. ;)

except you can't, because you get concorded. and that protection is why 20m t1 cruisers turn other 20m t1 cruisers in to nigh invulnerable killing machines.

i'd rather deal with an awoxer using links, than neutral logi i can't shoot at.

they do go suspect or at least they used to