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Oceanus inty/dictor rebal

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Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union
#21 - 2014-09-14 22:41:26 UTC
StainLess Blade wrote:
How about make a new module that can fit only on inty.
Module that you can fit only in low slot.
You gain immunity to buble with it but scan resolution and agility of ship will be nerfed. And you cannot put cyno module and that module on ship at the same time.


This. Getting immunity to bubbles should need the sacrifice of a slot (I personally would recommend a high) and give you a penalty to agility. As now, interceptors have too much of a "get-out-of-prison-card" and are nearly uncatchable.
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#22 - 2014-09-14 23:25:28 UTC
Leonard Nimoy II wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
I think 'Ceptors are in a good place, save the Craptor which is honestly worse than an Atron. Dictors are also fairly balanced, with the Heretic and Sabre leading the pack, however the Eris and Flycatcher could use some slot adjustments (high to a low on the Flycatcher pls).


Agreed; ceptors don't need a nerf with regards to bubble immunity. Maybe a rebalance to even out some of the performance differences, but people whining about them being bubble immune is pointless. Just fit up remote sebos for insta-lock if you want to catch ceptors, they're not OP. People just want bubbles to be OP so they can sit and camp on gates (lazy) rather than do real pvp. Bubbles without dictors having bubble immunity are an "I win" button.

I figured out what is really broken, poor nullbears having to put forth actual effort so they can afk rat. Those poor nullbears having to actually have a competent gate camp to protect their carrier, what is eve coming to when you can't put a carrier out without someone trying to kill it without giving you the courtesy of being spotted and killed 10 jumps away?
On a related note, the nullbear tears are nice but my bucket seems to be overflowing
Nbonga
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-09-15 10:42:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Nbonga
Samuel Wess wrote:
Sabre is really heavy to use at this moment. It moves as a cruiser almost, frigs out run it. The cloaked sabre
on gate doesn't work anymore, ships get in warp before decloak/launch bubble thing, that used to work
so fine for years.


I seriously hope that you're trolling. I give you 1/5.

Destroyer =/ Frigate.
Da'leon
Universal Fleet Operations
#24 - 2014-09-15 11:53:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Da'leon
I think the solution to the entire immunity thing with interceptors is easy and mentioned by stainless blade.

You create a module that gives interceptors bubble immunity and takes away the agility and scan res.

A decent reason is that the servers are in the UK, and If I play EVE in the UK my ping is about 30 and I can point just about everything with a scan res of about 4000. Now if I live in California with my ping of 160, I can't point anything with a scan res of 8000.

You have put the Australians and Americans at a huge disadvantage in the game just because you have created a ship that flirts with server pings the way the interceptors do.

About '1% here' 'low spot' there, I don't care. its all good and ill fly any of it however you make it.
Moloney
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-09-15 15:41:49 UTC
Lol.

Some of you seem to think ccp buff ships that are more or less working well.

Just wait and see how terrible the nerf will be.
Nico Laitanen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-09-15 17:12:48 UTC
I'm still waiting for the dev blog to be posted in this forum section. But yes, I do want a Raptor in Ishukone colors, and also see it get some much needed love.
Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-09-15 18:22:00 UTC
Nico Laitanen wrote:
I'm still waiting for the dev blog to be posted in this forum section. But yes, I do want a Raptor in Ishukone colors, and also see it get some much needed love.


What about the idea of turning the Heretic into a carthum laser boat? Is it fine as it is now, or do we need a laser dictor to round things out? Do you think it would step on the toes of the Retribution?
Nico Laitanen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-09-15 18:51:39 UTC
Catherine Laartii wrote:
Nico Laitanen wrote:
I'm still waiting for the dev blog to be posted in this forum section. But yes, I do want a Raptor in Ishukone colors, and also see it get some much needed love.


What about the idea of turning the Heretic into a carthum laser boat? Is it fine as it is now, or do we need a laser dictor to round things out? Do you think it would step on the toes of the Retribution?


A laser 'dictor would be nice, but not at the expense of losing a Khanid ship.
Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
#29 - 2014-09-15 19:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Cordo Draken
+1 I like your analysis of the ships and agree with the bubble immunity swap to Dictors... It lends to their Role perfectly.

One of the other main problems I have with Interceptors (even T1 Frigs) is their insane Align time. You know it's broken when another Interceptor with a 4000+ scan Res can't even begin to start a locking cycle on an inty coming through a gate. FFS, CCP needs to adjust all ships Align time Increased. Leave the Instawarp to Pods... Make Shuttles the next fastest at say 4 seconds align, then Interceptors at around 6. Then so on and so forth. Of course tweak the numbers properly but it should be entirely possible for another interceptor with an insanely high scan res to catch another interceptor... Pure and simple.

The other part of the problem is that you can't start locking someone until their cloak is dissolved, but for them, they can align and warp before that affect is gone, especially when fit right, so there's more to why they are unlockable.

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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#30 - 2014-09-15 21:21:39 UTC
Looks like if you manage to get away from gate camps or gank squads, they come here to cry out their tears about how unfair it is. I think I might just go take my OP Inty and run a mission. Wait, they don't do that? Maybe I'll take it and haul some stuff. They don't do that either? Then I'll go scan down some sites and wormholes. They're not good at that either? Well damn, it's almost like they have a niche role or something..... Roll
Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-09-15 21:35:29 UTC
Cordo Draken wrote:
+1 I like your analysis of the ships and agree with the bubble immunity swap to Dictors... It lends to their Role perfectly.

One of the other main problems I have with Interceptors (even T1 Frigs) is their insane Align time. You know it's broken when another Interceptor with a 4000+ scan Res can't even begin to start a locking cycle on an inty coming through a gate. FFS, CCP needs to adjust all ships Align time Increased. Leave the Instawarp to Pods... Make Shuttles the next fastest at say 2 seconds align, then Interceptors at around 3. Then so on and so forth. Of course tweak the numbers properly but it should be entirely possible for another interceptor with an insanely high scan res to catch another interceptor... Pure and simple.


Exactly; dictors with the bubble immunity would be more sensible due to their higher align time (you could even nerf their agility a bit more to compensate). They're quite a bit easier to catch on gate anyway, so while they wouldn't be that good at getting through camps on their own normally, it would make quite a bit of sense defensively since dictors in bubble camps would be able to retreat very reliably when faced with unfavorable odds against an intruder. It fits their 'picket ship' role better.
Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-09-15 21:36:46 UTC
Nico Laitanen wrote:
Catherine Laartii wrote:
Nico Laitanen wrote:
I'm still waiting for the dev blog to be posted in this forum section. But yes, I do want a Raptor in Ishukone colors, and also see it get some much needed love.


What about the idea of turning the Heretic into a carthum laser boat? Is it fine as it is now, or do we need a laser dictor to round things out? Do you think it would step on the toes of the Retribution?


A laser 'dictor would be nice, but not at the expense of losing a Khanid ship.


What if they offset that by turning the purifier into a Khanid boat? :D
Eos Ramazotti
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2014-09-15 21:46:26 UTC
Just replace all weapons bonuses on interceptors with better web and scramble bonuses. Done.

T2 is supposed to be specialized, interceptors are too efficient for solo or small group roams. Nerfing their offense forces them to
a) actually fullfil their specialiced role: intercept, catch and hold for the big guys to come and shoot stuff
b) need a larger number of pilots for interceptor fleets to be effective.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2014-09-15 22:25:57 UTC
Eos Ramazotti wrote:
b) need a larger number of pilots for interceptor fleets to be effective.

This is all nerfing their DPS would do. Inti DPS is fine overall. The class needs very few changes. Just the Raptor and Crusader need looking at.
Nico Laitanen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-09-16 00:39:03 UTC
Catherine Laartii wrote:
Nico Laitanen wrote:
Catherine Laartii wrote:
Nico Laitanen wrote:
I'm still waiting for the dev blog to be posted in this forum section. But yes, I do want a Raptor in Ishukone colors, and also see it get some much needed love.


What about the idea of turning the Heretic into a carthum laser boat? Is it fine as it is now, or do we need a laser dictor to round things out? Do you think it would step on the toes of the Retribution?


A laser 'dictor would be nice, but not at the expense of losing a Khanid ship.


What if they offset that by turning the purifier into a Khanid boat? :D


The Vengeance is pretty good, but I prefer Harpies and Hawks. The biggest problem I see with 'dictors is the lack of ships dessie V gets you. I would much rather spend training time for cruiser V and have options for hics, hacs, recons, and t3s. Maybe have 2 'dictors for each faction? Seems to work ok for every other t2 ship in game... and would be a little more efficient in terms of skill investment.
Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#36 - 2014-09-16 02:16:18 UTC
Nico Laitanen wrote:
Catherine Laartii wrote:
Nico Laitanen wrote:
Catherine Laartii wrote:
Nico Laitanen wrote:
I'm still waiting for the dev blog to be posted in this forum section. But yes, I do want a Raptor in Ishukone colors, and also see it get some much needed love.


What about the idea of turning the Heretic into a carthum laser boat? Is it fine as it is now, or do we need a laser dictor to round things out? Do you think it would step on the toes of the Retribution?


A laser 'dictor would be nice, but not at the expense of losing a Khanid ship.


What if they offset that by turning the purifier into a Khanid boat? :D


The Vengeance is pretty good, but I prefer Harpies and Hawks. The biggest problem I see with 'dictors is the lack of ships dessie V gets you. I would much rather spend training time for cruiser V and have options for hics, hacs, recons, and t3s. Maybe have 2 'dictors for each faction? Seems to work ok for every other t2 ship in game... and would be a little more efficient in terms of skill investment.

Yeah; we need more destroyers. Opinion is split on whether they should be assault dessies or command dessies, although a second interdictor class seems like an interesting proposition, as long as they have slightly different roles/attributes. What about one that focuses specifically on extended scrambler range (not disruptor)? If you make them t2 versions of the newer dessies, they'd already be fairly slow, so it might be feasible to balance. This is getting off-topic though.

If you're interested in color/t2 manufacturer rebalance, I have another thread that (hopefully) will become unlocked in the future: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=319390&find=unread
Longdrinks
Zero Fun Allowed
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#37 - 2014-09-16 07:35:00 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Eos Ramazotti wrote:
b) need a larger number of pilots for interceptor fleets to be effective.

This is all nerfing their DPS would do. Inti DPS is fine overall. The class needs very few changes. Just the Raptor and Crusader need looking at.

crusader is one of the best brawling intys, what do you think its missing?
Laminar Septimar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-09-16 08:39:18 UTC
Assault destroyers with medium guns for more pwnage ? Thank god it doesn't take 20 Accounts to gank a freighter anymore...
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#39 - 2014-09-16 08:49:35 UTC
Kaerakh wrote:

As a hictor pilot I completely agree with your assessment. Cepters don't provide enough meaningful stat stick numbers to warrant much attention in my books. (and when they're spammed enough, you were going to die anyways because of blobbing) Especially when they don't seem to have much of a problem dying in the first place. Most of the posts I see asking for a nerf boil down to, "My bearing system isn't safe anymore. Please CCP, make me safe again." Cepters provide a fleet an effective tackle in a bubbled system until the rest of the fleet is done slow boating through the bubble fest or slugging it with the gate occupants. So yeah, it's fine. H T F U



Lol



No you werent going to die anyway. Before there were gangs of roaming ceptors there were more gangs of roaming cruisers.Which a small gang could engage and try to keep range. this isnt so much the case anymore as trying to engage an inceptor gang is only viable with a small subset of ships.


Pj Harvey wrote:
Talvorian Dex wrote:
Good troll, an update with no real features. You got us!
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What's really in the expansion?


This, thought the ''expansions'' had a theme these days, this is just a jumble of nothing



With 6 week expansions you cant really expect to get huge amounts of changes.
rsantos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-09-16 10:44:05 UTC
Ceptors are far from untouchable...

During the last goon deployment to Delve/Querious my alliance caught around 400 interceptor in July while gate camping.
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