Missions & Complexes

That might be true for the folks in tight-knit communities that can start running incursions the moment they log on, and keep running without interruption until they're done. They're very likely also preying on other incursion runners, jumping into sites that other people have started and finishing them off (the fleet that did the most damage in any given site is the one that gets the payout).



Nonsense. 60M ISK/hr is easily achievable with a T2-fit battleship or Tengu, only declining faction missions to avoid standings penalties with other factions. You can get even better by contracting out your salvaging. Of course 30M ISK/hr is what you'll see in your wallet if you completely ignore your LP.

I can push 90M ISK/hr in a T2-fit battleship by blitzing missions because LP per mission is constant, and shortening your mission completion time by skipping a few million in bounties increases your payout per hour.

My mission agent doesn't move systems. Incursions disappear and respawn dozens of jumps away, which means the logistical nightmare of moving my incursion ships, ammo, spare modules, etc over to the new location.

I do them because of a few reasons:
1. Soloable
2. I can go afk whenever I want (Bastion mode ftw)
3. I can listen to heavy rock while blasting away

Serpentis level 4's are ~300-350mil/h depending on how much :effort: you put into actual blitzing and converting the LP.

All in a t2 fit Ishtar too

I guess the average 80M that was quoted sounds about right, last year with IIC had 112M/h in VGs as average(not for a hour that was ISK/hours in fleet and over 12h for most days, including all breaks and the form-up time) and this was already a very fancy setup and with most people completely maxed out on skills and knowing what they did. Sure HQ fleets can produce more but only under optimal condition's and if you can win the contests, else you will likely have less and most channels only run for a few hours a day.



Yeah it mostly depends on the setup and the amount of chars you can effectively multi box. I did something like 1.3-1.6B a day last year during the time DIN closed all the Incs with L4s with a selection of various pirate/faction BS to multi box and a Noctis to acquire a certain amount of ISK for other projects. I don't really think L4s make less isk, it is probably just more effort for most(I actually found it to be a bit less work than I have in Incs with my fleets but this is probably just me) to come up with a good setup and find high isk/LP items to convert to, compared to just putting a X into a channel and shoot some tags for a high payout and Incs do carry people to a certain amount very well while in L4s you have to do everything yourself and you are your own benchmark for performance.

Yeah, and when you run the numbers for level fours and only consider best case scenario and dont include travel time you make 120mil + LP also.

Because Incursions are farmed by a small handful of anal retentive groups with uber-high standards in most situations... TVP, WTM, TDF, etc... There's room for maybe 120-150 pilots to do incursions on a consistent basis. Whereas anyone who has grinded enough missions and wants to farm lvl IVs, there is no arrogant fleet comp guy to tell you 'no you can't play'.

Well there are a lot of groups listed in the Incursion Public channel to chose from, including a lot of new player friendly channels. WTM is defiantly new player friendly(they have certain requirements for tank, but that is just to ensure safety on grid and I never seen people pointing out the lack of expensive modules on hulls), Helix tries to put them on grid, Xiao in particular there, in D-Inc T1 BS with T2 fitting are no issues(yeah I even put BCs on grid as FC there). In OIC we even go far beyond what any other channel ever done in that direction and I guess nearly everybody with a few core skills can be on grid(even T1 cruisers, T1 Logis are even flown nearly every day by somebody in our fleets as fully responsible 2. logi) if he wants to participate and I get a few minutes to sort the fitting out.

Then again nothing is harder than changing a public opinion about the thing and many people often try to put her first X in big channels with lots of bling and get a rather negative response, because there are most of the time like 30 more people in much better skilled and fitted ships that want to get on grid to or some FCs/Channels even state that you don't need to come back before you have T2 guns/Logi 5. While it is the standard for some channels, not every channel handles it like this.

So either run with the assholes or lose every contest. Lose/Lose IMHO. I can't imagine that anyone does it for the "fun" as opposed to "ISK" unless they are "griefing" which some consider "fun".

Incursion income right now is worse than SOE L4s in a decently fitted mach (2 bil or so). Incursions happen to be a lot more fun because of the social element and contests. Right now L4s are definitely better isk, and 80 mil/hour on a single account is reasonably achievable. Hopefully the stupid incursion drama will subside soon and they will become a viable source of ISK again.

I hope they never become a "viable" source of isk. Never should have been farmable to begin with.