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CCP X-MAS BAG FAIL.

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Caulk H0lster
Kazakh Ministry of Wealth Redistribution
#101 - 2011-12-11 04:21:24 UTC
It's just hilarious how many people are SO MAD about loot dropping in wrecks which were almost instantly blown up by bombers.

Very little of the stuff dropped was actually picked up, because the wrecks die before people can get to them.

The 1-2b here and there that does get picked up is nothing compared to the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS an alliance like PL makes every month from moon minerals.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#102 - 2011-12-11 04:31:19 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
Jack Traynor wrote:
Just another in-game thing meant for the big boys. Nothing to see here, move along.


This statement is so untrue that I feel bad even answering it.

Here is the deal, the fleet is moving over the next few days and you are ALL welcome to engage. It is not for the big boys or the small boys or the medium boys: it is for everyone.

I am really sorry that you cannot organize a fleet or join one who that is effective against us. Be a leader and make EVE what you want it to be.



Sorry that you feel bad. With the incursion live events there was a lot of positive result and good feelings all around. But this seems to have different results. Just fighting with a Dev fleet would be an honor and as I am told that your Sansha Nightmares in those Live Incursions are dev controlled, if that's really true then I owe my worst and most expensive ship loss to CCP and I am proud of that. (At least 70M ISK NOT counting the price of the deadspace and faction mods in a ship that went down in 11 seconds).


But let me focus on one part of your statement for a moment:

Quote:
Here is the deal, the fleet is moving over the next few days and you are ALL welcome to engage



This is a very huge problem in the game. Location is everything and it's not just about a live event. Look at all of the threads centered on the great Highsec versus Nullsec debate. Lack of movement induced by the gate mechanics, bubbles, and camp mechanics, makes your statement stand out.


Sure, we can participate, IF we could get there. And I think there is possibly a lack of understanding or experience on this. I don't know if CCP is aware of how hard travel in EvE really is, and how that hinders the game. Sure, the nulldwellers say, "get another account and train up a scout". But any game where the only way to make it is to double your sub cost feels like a scam. So I gotta double my sub cost because of people who have nothing to do all day but wait for others to arrive so they can blow them up? That makes me want to resist an extra sub at all costs.


The travel restrictions in "the sandbox" are a big hinderence. I could imagine say Star Wars with EvE gates. If Moss Isley was nullsec, the Millenium Falcon would have been caught up in a suck bubble long before Luke hired the ship out.

In my opinion, there is practically no game because of the travel issues. There's a game for FW( (hardly), there's a game for high sec mission running, there's a game for miners, and there is something of a game for lowsec and nullsec where in the former it appears to be cat and mouse punctuated by someone getting blobbed and in the latter there is a big NAPfest ongoing so beyond bubble camping I am not sure if they are even using it.

But there is no game for your live events, because if you roam with it, or pick an area down the gank pipeline or "Great Wall of Carebear", only the people already there will enjoy it.

This is not really that bad. But don't try to tell us "it's for everybody". Honestly, if you stated that live events will happen in 0.0 only because they are all blued and NAPed up to each other and could use the excitement, I would agree with you and support that. But don't put the Pinata beyond the reach of my stick and talk to me like I had a longer stick when the mechanics of the game won't let me have it.


Again, sorry you feel this way. Why don't you just tell us to HTFU and stop complaining and then put together your own blob fleet and really raise some unholy hell? C'mon, we can take it, and I have a nice new expensive ship waiting for you.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
miningtool
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2011-12-11 04:40:54 UTC
96 Light years and 1m isotopes is what pl/test fleet used getting there and back. So quit crying about it no one got any loot there were bombers popping all the wrecks anyway. The only thing I got out of this fleet was a 2.5b isk pod kill on a highsec pubbie.
Bane Loppknow
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2011-12-11 04:58:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Loppknow
Quote:
The travel restrictions in "the sandbox" are a big hindrance. I could imagine, say, Star Wars with EvE gates. If Mos Eisley was nullsec, the Millennium Falcon would have been caught up in a suck bubble long before Luke hired the ship out.


ftfy. Also, the Millenium Falcon WAS caught up in a suck-bubble long before Luke hired them. Only reason they got away is because of Falcon. Unless you were referring to sling-bubbles in EVE, in which case Han has bookmarks.

Srsly though, I highly suggest you read "Millennium Falcon" by James Luceno. It delves into the famous ship's history in the universe. It skips over much of Han's ownership, though, since that's completely covered by other books/the movies.

Edit: On topic: It would be nice if there were Empire-owned (and therefore standings-based access) high-sec jump bridges to let people more easily cross large swathes of Empire space, although I could see this possibly messing with the economy. Maybe even have a few roleplaying CPP employees in Empire-owned high-sec Titans doing jump portals to staging areas near these events. After all, it seems silly that capsuleers in null-sec can cross the galaxy in only a dozen or so (not really sure) jumps, while an Empire capsuleer would have to hit ~30 gates just to reach the opposite border of high-sec. Isn't high-sec supposed to be well-traveled, civilized space? What kind of civilization banishes its best forms of transportation to the fringes, and then doesn't even make a government-owned civilian version to tax the **** out of?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#105 - 2011-12-11 05:06:00 UTC
Bane Loppknow wrote:
Quote:
The travel restrictions in "the sandbox" are a big hindrance. I could imagine, say, Star Wars with EvE gates. If Mos Eisley was nullsec, the Millennium Falcon would have been caught up in a suck bubble long before Luke hired the ship out.


ftfy. Also, the Millenium Falcon WAS caught up in a suck-bubble long before Luke hired them. Only reason they got away is because of Falcon. Unless you were referring to sling-bubbles in EVE, in which case Han has bookmarks.

Srsly though, I highly suggest you read "Millennium Falcon" by James Luceno. It delves into the famous ship's history in the universe. It skips over much of Han's ownership, though, since that's completely covered by other books/the movies.



off topic... thanks for the recommendation. My GF is a heinous SW fan and should know about this.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Adeena Torcfist
Right Hand Of The Legion.
Get Off My Lawn
#106 - 2011-12-11 05:13:24 UTC
id still like a solo fight with GM homonoia.

cant be bothered with all this mass fleet blobbing. i want the rewards for myself Cool
Pallidum Treponema
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#107 - 2011-12-11 05:14:04 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

Quote:
Here is the deal, the fleet is moving over the next few days and you are ALL welcome to engage



This is a very huge problem in the game. Location is everything and it's not just about a live event. Look at all of the threads centered on the great Highsec versus Nullsec debate. Lack of movement induced by the gate mechanics, bubbles, and camp mechanics, makes your statement stand out.


Sure, we can participate, IF we could get there. And I think there is possibly a lack of understanding or experience on this. I don't know if CCP is aware of how hard travel in EvE really is, and how that hinders the game. Sure, the nulldwellers say, "get another account and train up a scout". But any game where the only way to make it is to double your sub cost feels like a scam. So I gotta double my sub cost because of people who have nothing to do all day but wait for others to arrive so they can blow them up? That makes me want to resist an extra sub at all costs.


The travel restrictions in "the sandbox" are a big hinderence. I could imagine say Star Wars with EvE gates. If Moss Isley was nullsec, the Millenium Falcon would have been caught up in a suck bubble long before Luke hired the ship out.


You do bring out a good point. Location IS everything.

Hey, let's take a look at the numbers, shall we?

This event was located in FD-MLJ in Syndicate. It's no big secret that PL is currently staged out of Curse, in the G-G78S system (please feel free to stop by btw!). To get from G-G to FD by the quickest route, you have to travel across the entire length of empire space. This is a route that takes 41 jumps. Of course, many of our pilots cannot enter empire space. If we were to account for that, the route would take us through 71 jumps of low and null sec space.

Of course, since everyone knows that PL are spacerich and have bridging titans staged all over EVE, the quickest route from our staging system to FD is only 8 titan bridges. Realistically, since the shortest path is rarely achieved, you're looking at 10-12 bridges. That's even assuming that we have all the cyno ships and titans available.

Yes, travel restrictions are indeed a big hinderence. In fact, our fleet was held up for a long time because we didn't have everything in place and instead had to adapt to the situation. The fact that this event, just like the first one, was on the opposite side of the map from us also was a big hinderence, not to mention the fact that the way there is littered with corporations and alliances that are hostile towards us. In contrast, for an empire dweller to get to the event, they'd only need to pass through one system that is nullsec. From Jita, it was only 13 jumps to Orvolle, the staging system used by the defence fleet - who, at almost 150 strong, had little problem breaking through the bubblecamps.


I think this clearly illustrates how this event was catering to Pandemic Legion, what with it almost being in our backyard and all. The fact that we used up fuel and ammo worth billions also clearly demonstrates how we're being so richly rewarded by watching wrecks with loot that we could care less about is blown up before anyone can loot them.

Yes, you can participate. In fact, many players did so, quite successfully. Many of them WITHOUT scouts, because other players stepped up to scout for them. This game is a multiplayer game. Play it with other people, and you'll see that the game mechanics that you feel is so unfair applies equally to everyone else.

We've learned how to work with them. Maybe you should too?
Forum Fighter
Doomheim
#108 - 2011-12-11 05:22:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Forum Fighter
Mistress Lilu wrote:
Why do all the ccp fleets have to be killed by the large corporations. Like they need the isk and the dropped items.
CCP show up in systems that do not have these large corporations, such as looserswarm,northerblahcoalition, pathetic legion and so forth..
What a waste.


REALITY CHECK

This is Eve Online. CCP enters the game in a fleet to interact with players, the only way to counter an organized fleet is with another organized fleet. Only 0.0 alliances or low sec pirate corps have experience with organized fleets.

WTF ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DO IN HIGH SEC?!? HAVE A TICKLE FIGHT?

Seriously. This is the coolest **** in any MMO. I've never heard of so many developers and GM's interacting live with players. This should be encouraged. Quit crying.

Bearer of the 1600mm Tinfoil Hat™
Selinate
#109 - 2011-12-11 06:14:53 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
Jack Traynor wrote:
Just another in-game thing meant for the big boys. Nothing to see here, move along.


This statement is so untrue that I feel bad even answering it.

Here is the deal, the fleet is moving over the next few days and you are ALL welcome to engage. It is not for the big boys or the small boys or the medium boys: it is for everyone.

I am really sorry that you cannot organize a fleet or join one who that is effective against us. Be a leader and make EVE what you want it to be.


And people wonder why CCP is struggling right now financially...
Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#110 - 2011-12-11 06:49:45 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

But understand this. To PL and their 0.0 nap allies you are nothing. You will never be respected or accepted or dealt a fair hand. Eve is a cruel and unkind universe. So learn the arts and techniques you need to survive and prosper despite the reign of burnished tyrants that rule these stars from their immortal moon-goo empires.

Your victory little loot ninja is your continued existence and drawing breath on the morrow.



This is probably the most accurate thing you've ever said.

Well done, Jade,
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#111 - 2011-12-11 07:31:08 UTC
Pallidum Treponema wrote:
(please feel free to stop by btw!).



As a matter of fact I was in the Curse region roughly six weeks ago. Cool Wormhole dropped me off and I spent a week in a dead end system hitting some drones that hit back very hard and looking for radar sites. Some SOV dead end.

The pipe back to Ihal was bubbled like crazy, but my trusty exploration ship dug up a wormhole 40 jumps into rusky-controlled drone space and spent a while there, gaining some drone goo with little interaction from some Russian in that system flying a Wyvern (alone).

A wormhole a week later put me into Caldari lowsec, in a FW system, two jumps out of highsec and 20 jumps from my home base.

My trusty exploration ship has been in use doing this since 2009, and still has the large rig to prove its age. The rule: no gates (or very few of them after careful use of existing intel tools).

When I take an alt into 0.0 to test the usual "how to get around 0.0" post, most of the methods work, but there's no garantee. The methods to keep from getting killed in 0.0 are only effective against dumb campers, but you'll never get past the good ones.
Heck even as I avoid bubble camps, I can figure out ways to counter the counter, and I never had an original idea in my entire life.

Sorry if I missed your welcome party. If you want modules off me, just ask. Big smile

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#112 - 2011-12-11 08:36:40 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Zevina wrote:
And give away free T2 BPOs to perfectly organized 0.0 alliances definetly is a kick in the groin for any average Eve player.


Do you realize how ignorant this makes you look in a single post?

You are literally mad about rumors, things that aren't even fact.

The fact is:

1) Yesterday CCP had a single ship that had some t2 BPC's, t1 BPO's (that are available for purchase in highsec), and a few plex. I literally have dropped motherships who dropped more loot on the field.

2) That wreck was bombed before anybody could loot it, so in reality, none of the loot was actually taken home by anybody.


So you're all bunged up posting about something that DIDN'T EVEN HAPPEN.





Doesn't it make you wonder about how much of the rest of your post is based in fictional beliefs?


Yea

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Baden Luskan
Freeworlds Collective
#113 - 2011-12-11 09:26:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Baden Luskan
I read this thread, and I think we are all slightly missing the mark on how to sum this up. I think people are tired of the 0.0 alliances getting these loot pinitas, but not because the rich get richer. I think its because these people are always looking for ways to ruin the gameplay of 80% of the game population, and it seems CCP would rather reward this 15% - 20% of the population for being jerks than the "average" player. I swear, if you counted all the "tears" posts made by all the 0.0 alliance players in these threads, it would outnumber all other posts. I just find it ironic that CCP rewards the very people who run off so many new customers. Oh, the irony.

That bieng said, the fun of PvP vs. the CCP staff should alone be enough for people to come and have fun. Filling each CCP ship with hundreds of millions of isk in possible drops is what is souring theif un event. I say just leave the PLEX, BPCs, and the exotic dancers in Polaris and just come out to PvP for PvP. I guarantee there would still be fun to be had and the complaining would be alot less.
Dysphonia Fera
Doomheim
#114 - 2011-12-11 09:53:06 UTC
Posting to say this thread was amazing. Let me tell you about how bombers bombed the wrecks so no one got the loot. We went for the good fights, got the good fights, left.

These tears are making a fantastic breakfast though, thanks for that.
Pallidum Treponema
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#115 - 2011-12-11 14:59:11 UTC
Baden Luskan wrote:
I think people are tired of the 0.0 alliances getting these loot pinitas


I can confirm that in the first event, my nano-titan was looting the entire field from 100km away.


Actually, I'll get you in on a secret. The reason for why we are doing so well is because most of us actually do what we're told and remain at the combat ranges established by our FC, rather than trying to loot whore and get picked off one by one.

I did some quick math, and we burned something in the neighbourhood of 4.5 billion ISK in fuel and ammo. I also took tabs on our loot log. It appears we successfully looted items worth approximately 35 million ISK on the Jita market.
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#116 - 2011-12-11 15:19:32 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
Jack Traynor wrote:
Just another in-game thing meant for the big boys. Nothing to see here, move along.


This statement is so untrue that I feel bad even answering it.

Here is the deal, the fleet is moving over the next few days and you are ALL welcome to engage. It is not for the big boys or the small boys or the medium boys: it is for everyone.

I am really sorry that you cannot organize a fleet or join one who that is effective against us. Be a leader and make EVE what you want it to be.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Phoenus
Doomheim
#117 - 2011-12-11 15:20:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenus
Reading this thread makes me chuckle.

Empire highsec dwellers: "15 jumps to go fight ccp! le effort! My hard earnt isk! MY MISSION SHIP BACKBONE! I don't have any friends to help!"
Pandemic Legion Mumble: "40 jumps to go blow up CCP, and reap all the tears on the EVE-O forums? Oh hell yes."

In reality, that 40 jumps turned closer to being 60 - considering we diverted to fight an -A- fleet enroute.

This is why PL is pulling in over a trillion a month in Technetium. It's also why we are in control of over 200 Technetium moons.

Stop expecting CCP to hand you gifts on a plate. If you want a reward, you have to work for it.

Remember. Whoever controls the spice controls the universe.

P.S. Thanks CCP for the years worth of gametime in free plexes, last night was fun. Lol