Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I like some of this. opposing sites that push the bar red, and give out pirate LP that can be converted to pirate faction
LP, paid out only if the incursion ends without the mom being popped. as for the standings decrease them the same way running normal sites increases them, that way you cant run just the pirate ones without risking going negative but its not going to destroy you to run a few incursions playing the bad guy.

A quote from a Disney movie my kids watched when they were little "bad idea I said".
No matter how you stack it up, no matter how you try to justify this and no matter what pretty descriptions or names you give it this is just another of the I want CCP to eliminate the "perceived" early end to Incursions so I can farm ISK/LP to the bitter end type of post.

And yes this is a "percieved" early ending to these incursions. Wisely CCP put into these incursions the ability for players to end them by wait for it "popping the mother ship". If you go back and look at the dev blog postings prior to the release of incursions it is pretty clear that CCP intended the destruction of the mother ship to be used as a way for players to end the incursion as quickly as possible. So the real question is how can can you classify this as anything but working as intended except to say that it is based on pure unadulterated greed.

Before you jump on me about that I have no problem with greed per say it is a part of what drives this game. What I do have trouble with is when people try to cover up their "GREED" by inventing a problem with a game mechanic that is working exactly as it was intended.

So I have these suggestions.

Stop looking to CCP to solve a player created and player driven problem.

Try a little dose of diplomacy. If they are posting on a web site why they are mom popping "early" they are hurting their own ISK/LP farming abilities so they just might be willing to negotiate a settlement. If not don't try and make your lovers quarrel my problem.

There are game mechanics already in place to deal with these types of player disputes use them. And I do not want to hear about the difficulties of trying etc those are your problems to work out not ours.

They already have the means. They also have obscene amounts of money if they want to hire merc rather than doing it themselves.

I believe the mechanic is working as intended (unfortunately), and I don't really see it as a design issue for CCP to fix.

That said, I do have some issue with mechanics that can be used by so few to affect so many. To that end I (if given design freedom) would alter the Incursions mechanic from the ground up.

An incursion would start in one system (picked randomly, but weighted for security status). In this system, the lowest level of incursion sites, Scout, would spawn. In this case "sufficient resistance" means clearing a given number of sites within a short amount of time (4h). If they met with sufficient resistance, the incursion ends, an sew system is selected, and the process begins anew. Incursions that made it past the initial scouting party would stay until removed.

If not, that system starts spawning Vanguard sites, and adjacent systems start spawning Scout sites. If, within the same timer, enough spawned sites are not cleared, it upgrades to Assault spawns, surrounding Scout systems are upgraded to Vanguard systems, and connected systems 2 jumps away start spawning Scout sites. This process repeats until you would spawn a Mothership site in the system, Headquarter sites in adjacent systems, Assault 2 jumps out, Vanguard 3 jumps, and Scout 4 jumps. Existing sites would not despawn, but new sites would spawn at the appropriate level.

Similarly, attacking any system would lower the Incursion within that system and systems away from the initial incursion system. Running Headquarter sites within a system would reduce it to an Assault system, the Assault system(s) next door to Vanguard, the Vanguard systems to Scout and stop the Scout site spawns further out.

Directly attacking the Mothership would reduce the entire incursion by one level, but would not clear it. To fully clear it, you would need to stay in that system and clear Headquarter sites for 4h, then Assault sites for 4h, then Vanguard sites for 4h, then clean up the remaining Scout sites within 4h.

Mechanics not touched on here would not be adjusted, save as minimally as possible to adapt to these changes.

But alas, I do not have design freedom...

This kind of makes me want to start running incursions again, with ISN of course.

EDIT: CCP should just make hisec incursion pockets into PVP zones. You can only enter if you're part of a fleet of 10. And there can only be two fleets of 10 in a site. And you can't leave until the site is completed.

Because no 30 players can entirely shut down all mining, mission running, or any other PvE activity in all of highsec. Simple.

They can shut down all incursions for up to 36 hours. Cannot do that with any other activity in highsec.

yes, but it is happening OVER AND OVER AND OVER.....5 hours of activity and then 24 hours of none, repeatedly, is not fun.

A. that's only one small part of mining, they could go mine ice everywhere else in highsec.

B. This was I assume just through suicide ganking. Incursions can also be shut down that way. What is unique is that doing mom site will create a global shutdown, without any possible way of running them. You didn't really shut down ice mining, you just made it dangerous, and the miners were not sufficiently competent to survive the danger.

I'm assuming the miners were wildly incompetent if they couldn't arrange an escort fleet to handle 30 -10 sec status catalysts. I mean it cant be THAT hard.