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Lucien Rouen
#21 - 2014-09-10 16:10:58 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Lucien Rouen wrote:
Are people so bored or lost that they defend someone like Nauplis just because he is willing to lose a clone? Are you that desperate for a publicly named enemy to fight?


At least he's willing to act upon what he wants to do, rather than put it off or simply never do it. Then theres the whole taking on the majority of his peers to do so. If I had the chance I'd go after him, I don't support him in any way, but I at least respect his dedication to his twisted views.


I suggest reexamining your criteria for respecting someone.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#22 - 2014-09-10 16:24:41 UTC
I think you're mistaking respecting a quality with respecting a person holding it.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Lucien Rouen
#23 - 2014-09-10 16:45:31 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
I think you're mistaking respecting a quality with respecting a person holding it.


There is little difference with someone of his sort. To publicly laud a quality of his does nothing but encourage that quality - in this particular case, that quality is dedication to terrorism. Dedication in and of itself is not something to be respected. It must be dedicated to something worthwhile, otherwise it is meaningless.
Maria Daphiti
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2014-09-10 17:26:45 UTC
Lucien Rouen wrote:


There is little difference with someone of his sort. To publicly laud a quality of his does nothing but encourage that quality - in this particular case, that quality is dedication to terrorism. Dedication in and of itself is not something to be respected. It must be dedicated to something worthwhile, otherwise it is meaningless.



*snorts* I was correcting a loopy statement.

If you aren't going to undock and help us fight this madman, then I really don't give two fedo's hoots as to what you have to say.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#25 - 2014-09-10 17:27:21 UTC
So are you saying his little delusions aren't worthwhile to him? Its a matter of perspective. Some of the things I dedicate myself to would be meaningless to many, same with yours. Does that not make them worthwhile to those who hold those beliefs? I'd prefer him dedicate himself to less psychotic goals, he's not going to. So at least people have one more target to shoot at. You don't HAVE TO die for your beliefs. He chooses to which not everyone is willing to do.
Lucien Rouen
#26 - 2014-09-10 17:39:40 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
So are you saying his little delusions aren't worthwhile to him? Its a matter of perspective. Some of the things I dedicate myself to would be meaningless to many, same with yours. Does that not make them worthwhile to those who hold those beliefs? I'd prefer him dedicate himself to less psychotic goals, he's not going to. So at least people have one more target to shoot at. You don't HAVE TO die for your beliefs. He chooses to which not everyone is willing to do.


I am merely saying that dedication in and of itself is not a quality that should engender respect. In a case like his, the dedication is nothing more than a sign of how far gone he really is. People should be more discerning when deciding who they do or do not respect.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#27 - 2014-09-10 18:21:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
hmm, that makes sense
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#28 - 2014-09-10 19:54:54 UTC
Maria Daphiti wrote:
Lucien Rouen wrote:


There is little difference with someone of his sort. To publicly laud a quality of his does nothing but encourage that quality - in this particular case, that quality is dedication to terrorism. Dedication in and of itself is not something to be respected. It must be dedicated to something worthwhile, otherwise it is meaningless.



*snorts* I was correcting a loopy statement.

If you aren't going to undock and help us fight this madman, then I really don't give two fedo's hoots as to what you have to say.

I want to, but PIE rejected me... I am saddened by this. I shall have to settle for cake instead.....

WHY DON'T YOU LOVE ME, PIE!!!! Cry

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#29 - 2014-09-10 20:53:21 UTC
We can love you, you just have to love the Empire first.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#30 - 2014-09-10 21:17:58 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
We can love you, you just have to love the Empire first.

I love everyoneBig smile.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#31 - 2014-09-11 01:38:41 UTC
On another thread, a famous pilot questioned the utility of the first Temple to the Red God:
Diana Kim wrote:

Mr. Nauplius, I didn't understand meaning from this.
Slave Torture Chamber produces nothing.
Slave Blooding Laboratory produces nothing.
Vitoc Stuffing Facility produces nothing.
Slaver Hound Training Kennel produces trained Slaver Hounds.
Dying Slave Dumping Ground produces nothing.

Isn't it a terrible waste of space and resources?.. If I were planning it, I'd just build instead 5 rooms for Slaver Hound Training Kennels.


Let me respond.

  • The Slave Torture Chamber produces God Glorification, because God is glorified in the destruction of the Wicked. It also produces lame, damaged, crippled Slaves, which admittedly aren't terribly useful, but are unavoidable if the torture is to be sufficiently God-glorifying.
  • The Slave Blooding Laboratory produces...Blood.
  • The Vitoc Stuffing Facility produces Vitoc-addicted, obedient Slaves. (Note: as I explained in the other thread, I now separate Vitoc-stuffed Slaves from the Blooded slaves, out of a preference not to have my Blood full of Vitoc)
  • The Dying Slave Dumping Ground produces God Glorification, because God is glorified when the Wicked die a particularly painful, humiliating, cruel death. It also produces Dead Slaves, which admittedly aren't terribly useful, but are the unavoidable result of the God-glorifying painful dying that proceeded the moment of death.
  • The Slaver Hound Training Kennel does produce Trained Slaver Hounds, but also produces God Glorification as live Slaves are used to train the hounds and teach them to enjoy the taste of Minmatar flesh.


I hope this list clarifies the purpose of the Temple to the Red God. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Anslo
Scope Works
#32 - 2014-09-11 13:17:17 UTC
So basically you're trying to **** more people off to be a special snowflake so you can get a dread bomb ?

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-09-11 13:55:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Attention-seeker though he might be, his preferred method of seeking attention is to painfully massacre people by the score; An approach which renders it sadly immoral to deploy the standard response to attention-seekers which would be to ignore them.

Meaning that he's either exactly as insane as he appears to be but his motives are at least honest (though sickening), or even worse he's exactly that insane AND both cynical and desperate enough to behave like this because he knows it will attract the attention he compulsively craves.

The only appropriate solution would be to kill him, but given his status as a capsuleer that's the next best thing to impossible. It's all deeply irritating, isn't it?

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Lucien Rouen
#34 - 2014-09-11 14:06:09 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Attention-seeker though he might be, his preferred method of seeking attention is to painfully massacre people by the score; An approach which renders it sadly immoral to deploy the standard response to attention-seekers which would be to ignore them.

Meaning that he's either exactly as insane as he appears to be but his motives are at least honest (though sickening), or even worse he's exactly that insane AND both cynical and desperate enough to behave like this because he knows it will attract the attention he compulsively craves.

The only appropriate solution would be to kill him, but given his status as a capsuleer that's the next best thing to impossible. It's all deeply irritating, isn't it?


It appears that those seeking him out are so far being effective. If this is the case, if there are already capable people on his tail, then why does ignoring him remain immoral? As you said, nobody can stop him forever - but people are actively slowing him down. They seem to be doing a decent job at it. Why must continued attention be given to him in public? If the only attention he got was the continued destruction of his assets and clones by those hunting him, perhaps it would reduce the satisfaction he gets from his actions. The call to arms have already gone out and people have responded. There is no reason to continue advertising on his behalf.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-09-11 14:32:52 UTC
A fair point well made.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#36 - 2014-09-11 23:34:18 UTC
An additional 11,500 Slaves have been added to this holy Temple.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#37 - 2014-09-12 16:16:53 UTC
I'm pretty sure Nauplius is just a Republican agent sent to destroy the image of upstanding Amarrian holders.

-Eran
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#38 - 2014-09-13 15:43:51 UTC
Yesterday, 2014.09.13 02:42, the Temple to the Red God (Mk. II) — located at Halmah II Moon 16 — was suddenly and deliberately attacked by the forces of Molok the Deceiver.

It is now in reinforcement, and will come out of reinforcement at about 2014.09.14 13:36.

I have informed the Marines and Slavers manning the Temple that there will be no evacuation for them, and that they had better fight to the death. They understand.

Fellow Empyreans, it is impossible to overstate the stakes. The battle between the Red God and Molok the Deceiver is underway. And you are either with the Red God or with Molok.

Those who defend the Temple to the Red God, say, by "hot dropping" the forces of Molok, will be guaranteed admission to Paradise. This I promise under my authority as a Prophet of God. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#39 - 2014-09-13 16:38:03 UTC
So how are the plans for Mk. III coming along?

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-09-13 22:42:36 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
On another thread, a famous pilot questioned the utility of the first Temple to the Red God:
Diana Kim wrote:

Mr. Nauplius, I didn't understand meaning from this.
Slave Torture Chamber produces nothing.
Slave Blooding Laboratory produces nothing.
Vitoc Stuffing Facility produces nothing.
Slaver Hound Training Kennel produces trained Slaver Hounds.
Dying Slave Dumping Ground produces nothing.

Isn't it a terrible waste of space and resources?.. If I were planning it, I'd just build instead 5 rooms for Slaver Hound Training Kennels.


Let me respond.
[list]
  • The Slave Torture Chamber produces God Glorification, because God is glorified in the destruction of the Wicked. It also produces lame, damaged, crippled Slaves, which admittedly aren't terribly useful, but are unavoidable if the torture is to be sufficiently God-glorifying.
    • Mr. Nauplius, this is a destruction and damaging on property, not producing

    Nauplius wrote:

  • The Slave Blooding Laboratory produces...Blood.
    • Hmm. Very well, that is a sort of harvesting operation.

    Nauplius wrote:

  • The Vitoc Stuffing Facility produces Vitoc-addicted, obedient Slaves. (Note: as I explained in the other thread, I now separate Vitoc-stuffed Slaves from the Blooded slaves, out of a preference not to have my Blood full of Vitoc)
    • Unfortunately, this is damage of property as well.
    Any drug addicts are very inefficient and inaccurate workers. Price on job market of a druggie will be tens if not hundreds times cheaper than proper worker.

    Nauplius wrote:

  • The Dying Slave Dumping Ground produces God Glorification, because God is glorified when the Wicked die a particularly painful, humiliating, cruel death. It also produces Dead Slaves, which admittedly aren't terribly useful, but are the unavoidable result of the God-glorifying painful dying that proceeded the moment of death.
    • Mr. Nauplius, I don't think that you can value and profit from God Glorification. It doesn't sound as marketable commodity.
    Besides, as we were talking before, if I get you right, your God values strength, but by damaging and destroying property, you achieve only Weakness instead of Strength.
    And I am really doubt, that your God would be Glorified by Weakness.

    Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

    In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.