EVE General Discussion

Personally, my viewpoint is in agreement that we don't know enough about these latest bans to come to any kind of conclusion about them. I 100% agree with that.

I disagree with Falcon that we don't need some lines drawn. I posted an idea earlier that everyone just kinda walked past and it never got discussed, but basically, I suggested that instead of drawing lines around what we can't do, draw them around what we can. I went into more detail on how in that post in response to YOU asking someone else to step up and produce something along the lines of what kind of lines need to be drawn.

Which I also disagree with. We pay CCP, they don't pay us. We shouldn't be doing their jobs for them.

On that note, I also have a huge problem with CCP's community representative implying that people only have half a brain. I had a problem with how he spoke to the carebears the other day too as much as I did with how he spoke to the 'villains' of the story in this thread. I didn't speak up about it, I am now. How can anyone expect cooler heads to prevail with that kind of communication from CCP?

I don't believe EVE is a sinking ship, I don't see it dying, but it is their only ship. It's one of the things I love about them, it's incredibly risky for them to throw so many eggs into one basket, but it's also incredibly ballsy. I like ballsy. But Falcon is rocking the boat.

The problem I'm seeing is that this is a one-way discussion. There certainly is more room for CCP to provide clarity on the issue of what is and is not acceptable behaviour in game. Even if these bans had not happened, even if they'd happened and not been attributed to 'CCP misconduct', which I cannot believe happened until there's evidence of it, I've personally noticed this lack of clarity or player interaction and behaviour policy since this all first went down in March, as well as the inconsistency of policy management. I have outlined and explained why, and I'm not repeating myself.

I want discussion, that's all. I want to ask CCP a question, and have them answer it. I want them to ask us questions for us to answer too. I know they are usually good at this in many aspects of the game, and I also accept that this is a difficult one to address due to the nature of the game - there is going to be a lot of grey area, always, and there is no way around that.

What we need are well defined lines for where that grey area begins, and where it ends, and THEN, once we know where the grey area is, that's when we start talking about 'case by case' basis and players using their better judgement.

Half a brain though? Unacceptable. Falcon knows better.

I don't care.

If you're not CCP, nothing you just wrote matters to me.

You know what, I'm done here. I just posted a wall of thoughts to try to get some constructive discussion going, and this fool necros on me from a dozen pages ago. Same thing happened when I posted a wall of an idea that I'd put a lot of thought into about how best to draw lines around what we can, instead of can't, do, it just gets walked past, or someone attacks me for something, or whatever.

I take it back, this community isn't as healthy as I thought it was. There's a good reason why I don't interact with people in the real world, and this is essentially it. Why bother putting in the effort if no one's even going to acknowledge it, but attack you for something completely irrelevant to what you're trying to achieve?

Sorry I bought evidence into the discussion. I just want to define as to what your actual argument here is. If you're going to kick up a tantrum and not want to support it with evidence, as others have attempted, you're causing a disservice to those on the counter argument who wish to have a rational discussion.

Such as Funkybacon or Black Pedro, who have been great to have this discussion with, as I've already changed opinion on some matters, due to their points, that they evidenced.

Nice ad hominem and strawman, I thought you were done already?

You know why we can't post proof so why keep demanding proof? Unless the goal is to get people who disagree with you banned.

Evidence?

Or is this just what someone who heard it from someone who may have been banned even though they insisted, "I didn't do nuffink honestly..."