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except the discussion is about dodging wardecs and my statement was made within that context.

that has nothing to do with ganking folks...



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Celly

I dont consider it dumb at all, just like I dont think paying CODE a lousy 10m just to avoid their headaches is dumb. At it's core, this game is about ISK. Yes it's a hardcore PVP sandbox, but it takes ISK to keep yourself in decent ships. ISK is a tool, a means to an end. It was well worth 300M to get the enemy to back off.

And as you say above, there are plenty of people who will pay.



How do you know that? You cant predict what people are going to do, especially when in a situation with so many variable, such as size of corp, assets, fighting ships, POSs, etc. Stop using predictions of the future as arguments.



Now you need to go back through the thread and find an example of me "whining" as well as "crying." And FYI, what do you think these forums are for? Surely you are aware that Im not the only person here who is giving an opinion. In fact, looks to me like damn near everyone, including you, is giving their opinions, making suggestions, etc. That you don't like my opinion certainly gives you the right to argue against it, and I for it, but for you to tell me NOT to come to the forums and share my opinions because they differ from yours says a lot about your personality and maturity, and I'll leave it at that.

That too is an option since null sec in most places is in fact safer than high sec...

Sadly, I spent years living in high sec thinking that high sec was safer, it is to my own dismay that I have wasted so many years being wrong about that.
But I digress, that's a topic for a different thread.

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Celly

I am a new player only been playing for a little over a month. I have 2 active accounts and plan to add a third after upgrading the memory in my PC. Putting this information out there to let people know where I am coming from. Also this is just a forum alt.

So far, for me this game has been about not becoming a target worth ganking, at least that is what all the online quides tell me. Don’t equip level 5 rigs or implants, don’t use this ship for mining because it does not have enough tank or don’t use that ship because it is too valuable a target. So far most of my game play has been mining in HighSec so I can afford to lose ships later in LowSec .

So I am sure you are now asking what does this have to do with this topic, well let me tell you from my perspective.
Risk vs Reward: So far to me this game is about reducing risk and not taking chances because you have too much to lose. Why are so many players staying in HighSec mining ore and not participating in PVP the answer is Risk vs Reward.

Mining Ore: I created a spreadsheet to track how much ISK I would earn per load of ore using the ore hold capacity of my Miasmose which right now is 54,600 M3. I could not believe the results. I could make more ISK with very little risk mining for HS ore rather than mining LS ore.

Examples:
R Plagioclase = 10,386,480.00
Gneiss = 10,920,000.00
P Arkonor = 9,384,375.00
Mercoxit = 20,135,115.00

As you can see with the above numbers why should I risk LS space when the return is not there. From what I have been reading in this topic Wardeccing is trying to make HS less desirable and have more people engage in PVP or at least in more risky ventures. But the problem is the imbalance between risk and rewards and until that is fixed half measures such as Wardeccing are nothing more than a band aid covering the cancer underneath.

Please understand I know I am new and have a lot to learn but I am just putting out my view as I see it right now. I have some ideals on things CCP could do to make LS mining and PVP more appealing but I will wait until I see if anyone is even interested.

Well it is pretty dumb. First off it's money your paying with no guarantees, which is pretty terrible anyway, but mainly it's that you are setting a precedent that says "if you wardec me I will pay you to stop", thus encouraging more people to wardec you. To avoid wardecs you make sure the deccers know they will get nothing, no kills, no isk, no tears, nothing from the wardec.

It's not a prediction. They currently avoid wardecs with no payout. You want to take away ONE of the mechanics that allows that. Why would they then suddenly start paying when they can still dec dodge in other ways?

Most of your posts appear to be whining and crying, about a mechanic you don't even use!

And this forum, it's for general discussions. For people chewing the fat and the like. Ideas belong in F&I and serious well constructed ideas to be put forward though the CSM belong in Assembly Hall.

Welcome to EvE :)

and you've got a good grasp of things so far...

there are more rewards in null, and the risk are actually less once you get into the right spot, but with that said, I still think you've got a good handle on things from a new player's perspective.

best of luck to you.
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Celly Smunt

I didn't start this thread, go tell whoever did. Apparently our ever-vigilant ISD moderators haven't seen fit to lock or moveit. vOv

And we're back to trotting out this tired old lie again, I see.

Do you people actually have an original argument, or do you all read from the same playbook?

For one thing, I would never attempt to extort a single-person corp. That 1 guy probably doesnt have the budget to pay protection money, anyway. Now 5 or 6 guys, each chipping in, say 50M is more feasible.

Also, the connotation of "risk-averse" as it's used in this game does not = "it might not go my way." Risk-averse means trying to run from and/or avoid any confrontation.



Well, if you look around the forums here, there's a LOT of people asking what, exactly, constitutes harassment in CCP's eyes. Unfortunately CCP apparently refuses to give an answer. So you're taking your "life" (your account) in your hands when you endeavor to extort someone. How's that for NOT being "risk-averse?"



I have never once suggested that people be locked into 1 man corps. If you'd like to debate the merits and/or faults of my position, please familiarize yourself with my position first.

No its not.