EVE General Discussion

K, that third one, stealing mission items, no, never. Never ever ever ever ever. If they do that, the next thing you'll be asking for is instanced missions. Seriously, get ******. What you're suggesting is not the EVE I, and many many many others, signed on for. I got a new PVP'er to train yesterday BY WAY of stealing his mission loot and ransoming it. He chose to shoot me, I shot back, he exploded, and now he's getting PVP training because he took it like an EVE player. Maybe you should too.

C: Warnings and/or temp bans with clear and specific reasoning should be the norm for first offences unless in absolutely extreme cases with clear and uncontrovertible evidence. In all cases of permabans, CCP should be transparent about the specific reason and the decision should be publicly supported by multiple named CCP staff.

R: Vast majority of first offenders will make an effort to not reoffend. CCP avoids justifiable accusations of bias and personal crusades. Players who are invested in the game do not lose their accounts due to an error of judgement or association.

Reasoning: CCP runs a game where they celebrate the dark side. They do not define how dark is too dark. Therefore it is reasonable to expect that people will explore the dark side. Zero warning zero explanation permabans based on moral judgement are unreasonable when other clear and deliberate EULA/TOS violations go unpunished and/or attract a graduated response of warnings and temp bans. CCP, by advertising Eve as a place where one can "be the villain" and banning some people but not others when they do, is applying their EULA and TOS in an arbitrary, subjective and inconsistent way, which is bad management 101.

First off i just want to say CCP Falcon you rock!

I am glad to see that CCP is actually stepping in and stopping these sadistic psychopath's from ruining peoples experience and crushing em in the process.

There is no reason someone should have to go through hell on teamspeak, for others sick enjoyment...

You have all this persons things, so of course he is gonna hop on to the TS and do whatever he can to get his things back. Some of the people on here say oh its the persons choice to hop onto the teamspeak but really you are strong arming him onto it with the promise or hope that he can get his things back.

Just like in real life when someone gets caught up in an investment scam, and has already invested so much he or she keeps pumping money into it until they have no more funds just hoping to get their money back out of it.

Difference here is that once the well is dry the scammer moves on and is eventually thrown in jail. Here you have a group of people yelling, throwing insults at the victim, making him do things that are just plain cruel, degrading himself for their enjoyment. to the point of destroying a person both in game and out of game.

CCP is right in its choice to ban these people that have participated in these cruel acts.

I hope these bans are solid and do not end up being lifted. the only people complaining on here are those that have either been directly involved with it, had an account banned or have friends that have been affected. i have no sympathy for anyone of these animals. Good riddens!!!


C: Leave it as is no explaniation is needed.

R: Those who were banned already know why and for what reason they were banned. Giving out guide lines of exactly why will just encourage them to work just along the edges of it in the future.

Bumping will continue to happen. CCP has said it's cool. Smart bumpers and gankers just won't interact with their targets, aside from exploding them.

Shooting new players in velators will continue to happen (outside of newb zones, natch). That newbie just won't be told how to fix himself and not be a target anymore. No need to risk "harassment".

Stealing mission items will continue to happen. You just won't get a chance to bargain with the person who stole it, to get it back.


See, the actions themselves, those are core components and ideals from CCP, that will never go away. CCP would close it's doors for good, before they got rid of nonconsensual combat in highsec.

Keep that in mind, when crowing about a victory. The people involved in this didn't get banned for performing CCP sanctioned activities, like ganking, bumping, etc. They got banned (allegedly) for taking things "too far", and engaging in harassment. The initiating act isn't even relevant, in that case.

I've done it. No communication with the mission runner, just put it up on an auction and let the highest bidder sort it out.

Where you see no point, smarter people see a point, Veers. This is why you fail.

I also do it to entice people to shoot at me, which they do. I also do it just for ***** and giggles, the chance to say "ner ner" in local just for its own sake, and run away. This one is the most fun to do in an MWD rookie ship.

Also, the whole 'not shooting newbs in newb ships' thing irks me. What about that 3 day old cyno alt in lowsec? Don't tell me that's a newb that I can't shoot or I'm done.

But if I loose a ship and I am upset about it in the Real Life... you have harassed me. So then you've crossed this line that is there but no one knows where. Because I lost and you won, I feel I was harassed.

I know. This is exactly what I'm saying, I agree with you. There cannot be a specific rule blanket banning the shooting of newbies for THAT EXACT REASON. I will shoot a cyno alt, but I won't go into a starter system and gank a Velator for easy killboard padding. I'm not trying to say, "there needs to be a clear definition of which noob ships we can and cannot kill", I'm saying exactly what you are.

No obtusity intended. I'm sorry if I didn't communicate this as clearly as I could have, but, I am autistic and sometimes these kinds of complex nuanced communications are a bit out of my league.

I was also responding to LS's suggestion that there should be a policy against shooting newbs in newbships.

In the course of non- consensual interaction with high sec players sometimes a golden opportunity occurs.
They are usually upset about the hard work that you have hindered in some way.
They place a value of time or real life money on it.
This in my opinion is very unhealthy.
The time in game to plex, or the real money you give to CCP is to access the server.
The experience is really the only thing we own.
If mining to get more mining ships, knowing you can loose those ships makes you happy.
Then that is great.
In explaining this sometimes you find that you have interacted with them more than anyone else has in game.

The golden opportunity is to facilitate that eye opening experience.
Sometimes tears are involved.
I can see how some could view this as harrasment.

But some of us feel High Sec is worth fighting for.

CODE! LOL!

Mr Epeen