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What do you think about the following evasion 'tactics'

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Vincent Athena
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#21 - 2014-09-10 20:25:59 UTC
If CCP wanted to get rid of this tactic, another way to do it would be to get rid of deadspace altogether. That is, once you have a BM in a mission area, you can warp right to it. Ditto for a ship you have scanned out.

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Doomheim
#22 - 2014-09-10 21:25:21 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
If CCP wanted to get rid of this tactic, another way to do it would be to get rid of deadspace altogether. That is, once you have a BM in a mission area, you can warp right to it. Ditto for a ship you have scanned out.
Would render acceleration gates that limit the ship sizes (groups) which can pass it useless. DED, FW and unrated complexes, Burner mission sites and those few missions that do such.

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#23 - 2014-09-10 21:57:42 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Interesting but seems like an incredible waste of time. Two Gilas can finish the mission long before you get all that rigmarole setup.


He's not setting up the carrier so that he can run the damn mission...

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#24 - 2014-09-10 22:00:44 UTC
God's Apples wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Interesting but seems like an incredible waste of time. Two Gilas can finish the mission long before you get all that rigmarole setup.


He's not setting up the carrier so that he can run the damn mission...


Exactly, he is using this so he can assign fighters to his pvp alt sitting in a FW plex, and so his carrier can't be warped to directly using combat probes. The convoluted tactics people use to tilt the odds in their favor is astounding.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#25 - 2014-09-10 22:09:01 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
God's Apples wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Interesting but seems like an incredible waste of time. Two Gilas can finish the mission long before you get all that rigmarole setup.


He's not setting up the carrier so that he can run the damn mission...


Exactly, he is using this so he can assign fighters to his pvp alt sitting in a FW plex, and so his carrier can't be warped to directly using combat probes. The convoluted tactics people use to tilt the odds in their favor is astounding.


Fighters will not follow you into DED space.
Osa Hermosita
#26 - 2014-09-10 22:32:54 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
God's Apples wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Interesting but seems like an incredible waste of time. Two Gilas can finish the mission long before you get all that rigmarole setup.


He's not setting up the carrier so that he can run the damn mission...


Exactly, he is using this so he can assign fighters to his pvp alt sitting in a FW plex, and so his carrier can't be warped to directly using combat probes. The convoluted tactics people use to tilt the odds in their favor is astounding.


Fighters will not follow you into DED space.


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Paranoid Loyd
#27 - 2014-09-10 22:41:19 UTC
Are larges that much more plentiful now? Seem pretty unlikely you would have a mission assigned to you in the same system as a large complex spawn. I haven't been through FW systems in a while.

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Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-09-11 05:38:15 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


Fighters will not follow you into DED space.


Depends on how you enter it ^_^
Luscius Uta
#29 - 2014-09-11 08:10:28 UTC
This reminds me of an exploit where people used to enter novice plexes with Vagabonds - they would first enter it with a non-restricted ship, make a bookmark, switch to Vaga, land on the gate, align towards the bookmark and turn or their MWDs. After a long while they would land inside the plex.

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#30 - 2014-09-11 11:34:57 UTC
Sounds like an exploit to me, but regardless, the time needed to make this tact work more than compensates for the protection it offers.

Also yeah, at some point it becomes faster to clear the site and probe you down. Much like taking away the carpet under your feet by surprise.

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Level IV Security
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-09-11 11:39:44 UTC
If a mission is used it can't be cleared unless you 'complete' it via the agent.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#32 - 2014-09-11 12:49:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tinu Moorhsum
Fighters for a level 4 mission?

LOL

I've never met a level 4 mission that couldn't be cleared with a Drake (or rapidly in a pair of Drakes). Not sure I would like wag my carrier's buttocks in the proverbial wind to clear a level 4 mission. What's the reward for those again?

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Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-09-11 13:10:10 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Fighters for a level 4 mission?

LOL

I've never met a level 4 mission that couldn't be cleared with a Drake (or rapidly in a pair of Drakes). Not sure I would like wag my carrier's buttocks in the proverbial wind to clear a level 4 mission. What's the reward for those again?

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Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-09-11 14:04:00 UTC
Luscius Uta wrote:
This reminds me of an exploit where people used to enter novice plexes with Vagabonds - they would first enter it with a non-restricted ship, make a bookmark, switch to Vaga, land on the gate, align towards the bookmark and turn or their MWDs. After a long while they would land inside the plex.


Shouldn´t this enable you to get fighters into a complex, too?

- make BM inside complex
- warp out and back to the gate
- assign fighters (from a POS for example)
- burn to the BM

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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-09-11 15:44:35 UTC
This is an outstanding level of evil to go to.

Well played, well played indeed.
flakeys
Doomheim
#36 - 2014-09-11 18:21:25 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Fighters for a level 4 mission?

LOL

I've never met a level 4 mission that couldn't be cleared with a Drake (or rapidly in a pair of Drakes). Not sure I would like wag my carrier's buttocks in the proverbial wind to clear a level 4 mission. What's the reward for those again?

T-


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Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#37 - 2014-09-12 09:19:13 UTC
Interesting idea, thanks for sharing
Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#38 - 2014-09-14 21:23:59 UTC
Darkblad wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
If CCP wanted to get rid of this tactic, another way to do it would be to get rid of deadspace altogether. That is, once you have a BM in a mission area, you can warp right to it. Ditto for a ship you have scanned out.
Would render acceleration gates that limit the ship sizes (groups) which can pass it useless. DED, FW and unrated complexes, Burner mission sites and those few missions that do such.

The tactic already does that.

Get your carrier to the ded space side of the novice plex then warp to the beacon. Now you have a carrier in a novice plex.
Luscius Uta
#39 - 2014-09-15 07:39:22 UTC
Charlie Firpol wrote:
Luscius Uta wrote:
This reminds me of an exploit where people used to enter novice plexes with Vagabonds - they would first enter it with a non-restricted ship, make a bookmark, switch to Vaga, land on the gate, align towards the bookmark and turn or their MWDs. After a long while they would land inside the plex.


Shouldn´t this enable you to get fighters into a complex, too?

- make BM inside complex
- warp out and back to the gate
- assign fighters (from a POS for example)
- burn to the BM


That's something I would like to know too, but fighters aren't very fast, so I wonder if they can keep up with your ship.

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Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2014-09-15 10:00:01 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Since this isn't regarded as a bug or exploit, this thread has been re-opened.



Wait wait wait

I thought breaking grid mechanics to accomplish a goal that wouldn't be possible otherwise was most certainly an exploit?

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