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Saul Varanuss
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-09-11 13:09:00 UTC
I'm coming back to EvE after not playing it for around 5 years and since I don't remember my old account info(in my old account, I stopped playing EvE due to some RL stuff but was mining with a Covetor by the time I stopped playing EvE) I decided to start over from scratch.

Anyway, this character of mine(Saul Varanuss) is going to specialize in mining. I want to ultimately get a Covetor again. When I was reading the info about that mining barge via my Neocom iphone app that I just started using on my iphone, i noticed a button that said "add required skills to training plan".

I clicked on it and now on my skill plan, it says that I'll be trained with all the required skills to pilot a Covetor in around 8 days.

Two things don't add up though:

1. The last time I played EvE, It took me almost TWO MONTHS to be able to have the skills to Pilot the Covetor! I remember having to do PvE missions, train for other ships to help me mine more effeciently to be able to even purchase the skills, let alone purchase that expensive mining barge, etc. Of course I was playing solo so that could be another factor why it took me so long last time......so why is it this time I'll have the skill set in only 8 days?

2. Don't I got to purchase a lot of the skills on the skill plan first before I can even train in a lot of them?(my character is only less than a few days old).
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-09-11 13:15:07 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
1. It is still more then 8 days of training. Also, NEVER fully trust a 3rd party app. Just cause it says A, doesn't mean A is true.

Also keep in mind: minimum skills doesn't always mean you can properly fly a ship. Just because you can sit in it, doesn't mean you can fly it effectively.

2. You never HAD to do mission or what so ever to be able to fly a covetor or buy skills. All you needed was ISK and time.

You had to run missions to get refining standings up, which is still the case.

3. You still have to train pre-requirements for certain skills.



TL:DR - Don't trust 3rd party apps, when in doubt, use the in game skills etc. to check. If you right click any ship / module and go to requirements, it will tell you how long it will take to train bare minimum skills.

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Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-09-11 13:21:23 UTC
I'm only about six months in so I don't know how the old Covetor worked, but I don't recommend it for solo use. The ore hold is tiny so you'll either be jetcanning (prone to theft) or hauling back to the station every few minutes. The Retriever is the T1 barge of choice for solo miners in high-sec, the Procurer for those more afraid of gank monsters. Both holds greatly outstrip the Covetor's.

Cov is still pretty good for fleet mining ops though, when hauling is available.
Saul Varanuss
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-09-11 13:44:22 UTC
cool, thanks. I'll delete that app on my phone. Glad to have all that cleared up, lol.

Yeah as for the Covetor, once I'm able to pilot the thing effeciently which will obviously take a while, I'll be looking for a miner corp to mine with. Due to a lot of over time dumped on me this time of year(I work at Caterpillar) I don't really have the time to socialize like i would like to so I'm just using this time to almost nothing but train while away at work doing long shifts.

I'll try that other mining barge mentioned if it'll really help with solo mining until I have the time to be involved with a miner corp.

Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-09-11 13:54:23 UTC
When you're in the game look on isis as well, on the left hand column same as the market etc. Find the ship you want to fly and it'll show you all the main skills you need to fly it

Don't forget the Venture either as a new miner, you can more or less fly it straightaway and start earning isk by mining while you sort all the other skills you'll need, and it's a great little ship.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2014-09-11 14:08:58 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
OP... look at this fit:

[Retriever, Semi-gank proof]

Damage Control II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Hobgoblin II x5

NOTES:
- with max skills it is still quite fragile
- even when you can use the Tech 2 strip miners, don't (at least, not on Tech 1 ships). They only give you ~10% more yield and increase the cost of your ship by a large margin... making you a good target for suicide gankers.
- You best defense against any potential hostiles will be to make yourself an unappealing target (compared to other miners in the area).
----- orbit objects nearby asteroids. Moving makes you harder to gank.
----- do not sit around the "warp-in" for any location. You want to be an inaccessible to hostiles as possible.

Other things to consider:
- skills listed in the Engineering tab of your character sheet are considered your "Core Skills" (skills that affect all ships). Make them a priority.
- the mining barges have been cleanly split up into three specialties; mining yield, storage capacity, and tank. In exchange for each strength, each barge loses out on the other two.
-continuing from the above point; the Covetor specializes in mining yield and consequently has a very small storage bay. if you want to fly solo, without support, then the Retriver I listed above will be your best bet as it can hold a large amount of ore.

How did you Veterans start?
Hoshi
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#7 - 2014-09-11 14:11:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Hoshi
This did change the skills requirements for the Covetor as part of the tiercide. It used to be that the Covetor was the best t1 barge and as such it required barge 5 but they changed it so all barges were good at different things and at the same time changed the skill requirements to be barge 1 for all of them.

The cost of the ship itself actually increased by almost 100% in that patch, from around 15-20m to around 30m.

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Mobbel Ernaga
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-09-11 15:12:08 UTC
Saul Varanuss wrote:
cool, thanks. I'll delete that app on my phone. Glad to have all that cleared up, lol.


Why? Generally it's a damn good idea to use 3rd party tools for skillplans and all that but I would recommend a PC Version for this, get EVEMon and you won't be disappointed.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-09-11 15:41:52 UTC
Mobbel Ernaga wrote:
Saul Varanuss wrote:
cool, thanks. I'll delete that app on my phone. Glad to have all that cleared up, lol.


Why? Generally it's a damn good idea to use 3rd party tools for skillplans and all that but I would recommend a PC Version for this, get EVEMon and you won't be disappointed.


Dont delete it. Use it as a guide...

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Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#10 - 2014-09-11 16:52:37 UTC
Saul Varanuss wrote:
1. The last time I played EvE, It took me almost TWO MONTHS to be able to have the skills to Pilot the Covetor! I remember having to do PvE missions, train for other ships to help me mine more effeciently to be able to even purchase the skills, let alone purchase that expensive mining barge, etc. Of course I was playing solo so that could be another factor why it took me so long last time......so why is it this time I'll have the skill set in only 8 days?


I dunno about 8 days, but google "tiercide". Ship skill requirements changed dramatically some time ago, perhaps since you last played.
William Ruben
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-09-11 17:09:53 UTC
Contact customer service. As long as you remember something about your old account they are usually pretty good about putting you back together with it.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#12 - 2014-09-11 17:18:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#13 - 2014-09-12 02:15:03 UTC
I'm int/mem remapped and pretty much have 0 skills when it comes to mining, and in game it says it would only take 5d 16h for me to get into a covetor. looking at the skills required int/mem seem to be very heavy so 8 days for a more balanced character doesn't sound unreasonable.

also it is mining, having the bare minimum for a barge still probably means you will mine better in that barge than any other ship.

and try putting a support ticket in, they might help you out with your old account info.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#14 - 2014-09-12 02:44:26 UTC
Instead of the fit above, take a look at this one.

https://o.smium.org/loadout/12543

Slightly cheaper, 5k more ehp.

Hull tanking is definitely an option these days.

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