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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#441 - 2014-09-11 11:05:21 UTC
Grog Aftermath wrote:
Syn Shi wrote:
You miss one important point that goes with more people in Hi-Sec....they aren't there for the pvp. Only conclusion I can come to is if someone is in hi-sec for pvp what they are really looking for is easy kills.


Exactly, if players wanted more challenging PvP they wouldn't be hanging around high-sec.


BZZT. Wrong. My most challenging PVP has been in highsec. And I've PVP'd in all the secs....


PHRASING!! Twisted

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#442 - 2014-09-11 11:08:05 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Also, Lucas, grow the **** up.

There are plenty of people I respect and even like on these forums. I've had heated disagreements with many of them. Do I like them less? No. If we were at a pub, I'd probably have punched a few of them, and them me. Then I would have shouted a round of beers and moved on to the next topic. I've had disagreements with Ramona, Mr Epeen, and many others that I don't consider somehow 'less sane' just by virtue of being in disagreement. We share our perspectives, sometimes **** hits the fan, but the people calling other people retards....

That's a problem. I have no respect for that. It doesn't deserve respect. It just barely qualifies as vitriol-worthy. You don't qualify for even being spat on as far as I'm concerned.

People aren't suddenly less sane just because they have a different opinion to you, especially when you're the one that came into this thread firing off hostility like it was candy. Seriously, what were you thinking just prancing in here all angry like as if someone had insulted your ******* mother? It's a video game dude. Calm your ****.
lol. It took you 2 responses to get all your rage out? Feel better now buddy? Gonna move forward with your life?

I too have had plenty of disagreements, even with you and had very few issues. I'm not emotionally invested in any discussion I have over a computer game, so even in a pub I wouldn't have punched any of them.

This time round, rather than responding with actual genuine criticism, you've repeated tried to sit on your high horse acting superior and putting down what other people are saying without actually responding to the content of it. So yes, other people shouldn't take any notice of what you are saying. It's clearly not your usual method, since I usually hold your opinion in high regard even if it opposes my own. So whatever your problem is, deal with it and move on.

And it's just a saying bro, not an attack that was supposed to make you fly off the handle like this, so I apologise.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#443 - 2014-09-11 11:11:11 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Also, Lucas, grow the **** up.

There are plenty of people I respect and even like on these forums. I've had heated disagreements with many of them. Do I like them less? No. If we were at a pub, I'd probably have punched a few of them, and them me. Then I would have shouted a round of beers and moved on to the next topic. I've had disagreements with Ramona, Mr Epeen, and many others that I don't consider somehow 'less sane' just by virtue of being in disagreement. We share our perspectives, sometimes **** hits the fan, but the people calling other people retards....

That's a problem. I have no respect for that. It doesn't deserve respect. It just barely qualifies as vitriol-worthy. You don't qualify for even being spat on as far as I'm concerned.

People aren't suddenly less sane just because they have a different opinion to you, especially when you're the one that came into this thread firing off hostility like it was candy. Seriously, what were you thinking just prancing in here all angry like as if someone had insulted your ******* mother? It's a video game dude. Calm your ****.
lol. It took you 2 responses to get all your rage out? Feel better now buddy? Gonna move forward with your life?

I too have had plenty of disagreements, even with you and had very few issues. I'm not emotionally invested in any discussion I have over a computer game, so even in a pub I wouldn't have punched any of them.

This time round, rather than responding with actual genuine criticism, you've repeated tried to sit on your high horse acting superior and putting down what other people are saying without actually responding to the content of it. So yes, other people shouldn't take any notice of what you are saying. It's clearly not your usual method, since I usually hold your opinion in high regard even if it opposes my own. So whatever your problem is, deal with it and move on.

And it's just a saying bro, not an attack that was supposed to make you fly off the handle like this, so I apologise.


You're mistaking what I think of you for flying off the handle. I don't know what compels people criticised of immaturity to respond to the criticism by proving it right but, perhaps you can explain it to me?

Because, your response just now amounts to "lol butthurt much?" Are you ******* 6? No, I'm not butthurt, I'm calling you out for exactly what you just did.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#444 - 2014-09-11 11:17:24 UTC
Senyu.

Don't tell me that shooting industrials is 'just plain griefing' while you're in Inari ganking barges. That's really uncool dude.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#445 - 2014-09-11 11:18:23 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:
Syn Shi wrote:
You miss one important point that goes with more people in Hi-Sec....they aren't there for the pvp. Only conclusion I can come to is if someone is in hi-sec for pvp what they are really looking for is easy kills.


Exactly, if players wanted more challenging PvP they wouldn't be hanging around high-sec.


BZZT. Wrong. My most challenging PVP has been in highsec. And I've PVP'd in all the secs....


PHRASING!! Twisted



All those MTU and Venture kills.......and you chose to use the word challenging.......nothing to see here....moving on.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#446 - 2014-09-11 11:21:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Syn Shi wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:
Syn Shi wrote:
You miss one important point that goes with more people in Hi-Sec....they aren't there for the pvp. Only conclusion I can come to is if someone is in hi-sec for pvp what they are really looking for is easy kills.


Exactly, if players wanted more challenging PvP they wouldn't be hanging around high-sec.


BZZT. Wrong. My most challenging PVP has been in highsec. And I've PVP'd in all the secs....


PHRASING!! Twisted



All those MTU and Venture kills.......and you chose to use the word challenging.......nothing to see here....moving on.



Yes, all I ever kill is MTUs. You got me. I've never solo'd a Hurricane in Jag in lowsec and beaten him, not once, not even in Sept-November last year sometime when I was still a total newb to PVP. I've never, more recently, solo'd a Myrmidon in my Ishkur with no prior intel on what kind of pilot he was or what kind of fit he'd be bringing. I've never fought an entire corp vs me and a mate, no logi, them with both logi and ewar, and taken them for 6 kills to 0 losses. That never happened. I've never shot anything but MTUs.

And you've never ever indulged in subjective validation.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Senyu Takashi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#447 - 2014-09-11 11:21:48 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Senyu.

Don't tell me that shooting industrials is 'just plain griefing' while you're in Inari ganking barges. That's really uncool dude.


I said I consider it as a griefing. I didnt say Im not a griefer. And FYI the only barges I gank are AFKers that dont tank their barges. If a miner actually responds to my presence (convos me to ask why am I locking him or tries to warp away/tanks his barge) I leave him or her alone.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#448 - 2014-09-11 11:23:10 UTC
Senyu Takashi wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Senyu.

Don't tell me that shooting industrials is 'just plain griefing' while you're in Inari ganking barges. That's really uncool dude.


I said I consider it as a griefing. I didnt say Im not a griefer. And FYI the only barges I gank are AFKers that dont tank their barges. If a miner actually responds to my presence (convos me to ask why am I locking him or tries to warp away/tanks his barge) I leave him or her alone.


This doesn't make it griefing. I don't care about your excuses, and I don't care what you shoot. Griefing in EVE is not allowed. Shooting mining barges is.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#449 - 2014-09-11 12:06:47 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Syn Shi wrote:
they aren't there for the pvp.


Actually, this is exactly why many people are in high sec. Some of my best fights have gone down in high sec, including solo skirmishes against small fleets, whelping in high security systems by taking on war targets with my security status down low enough for the police to come after me while I shoot a Thorax (which I killed just before dying to the po-po, it was a damn good fight and a lot of fun, and as a result of my whelping, I helped save our newbfleet from getting pulverised by said Thorax). Dude, I had a 15 minute long frigate duel with a wartarget in highsec. 15 ******* minutes dude. Do you know how unheard of that is? It pretty much never happens.

I'd link the video but I keep getting accused of shameless plugging..... ah, **** it.

There's excellent PVP to be had all over New Eden. That's because no single area of it is excluded from PVP. If you're staying in high sec to avoid PVP, you might manage to actually succeed, but if you're looking for PVP, there's zero reason to avoid highsec. There's nothing visa-versa about it.


So just to be clear, your best Ship vs Ship has been against others who are also looking to Ship vs Ship and wasn't stomping those who had no chance (aka new players and/or indy players).?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#450 - 2014-09-11 12:14:16 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:

So just to be clear, your best Ship vs Ship has been against others who are also looking to Ship vs Ship and wasn't stomping those who had no chance (aka new players and/or indy players).?


The most fun I've ever had was in highsec PvP. That includes stomping on those foolish enough to ignore their own self defense.

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malcovas Henderson
THoF
#451 - 2014-09-11 12:17:41 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Syn Shi wrote:
they aren't there for the pvp.


Actually, this is exactly why many people are in high sec. Some of my best fights have gone down in high sec, including solo skirmishes against small fleets, whelping in high security systems by taking on war targets with my security status down low enough for the police to come after me while I shoot a Thorax (which I killed just before dying to the po-po, it was a damn good fight and a lot of fun, and as a result of my whelping, I helped save our newbfleet from getting pulverised by said Thorax). Dude, I had a 15 minute long frigate duel with a wartarget in highsec. 15 ******* minutes dude. Do you know how unheard of that is? It pretty much never happens.

I'd link the video but I keep getting accused of shameless plugging..... ah, **** it.

There's excellent PVP to be had all over New Eden. That's because no single area of it is excluded from PVP. If you're staying in high sec to avoid PVP, you might manage to actually succeed, but if you're looking for PVP, there's zero reason to avoid highsec. There's nothing visa-versa about it.


So just to be clear, your best Ship vs Ship has been against others who are also looking to Ship vs Ship and wasn't stomping those who had no chance (aka new players and/or indy players).?



Why should indy players be immune to all aspects of the game? They chose their path. Ganking / WD'ing is part of that path. You might consider it's kind of cowardly to shoot at Indys, but the reality is, they are just an acceptable target as any other ship in the game.

I'll protect my ships by any means possible. Do you know why? Because I understand the concept of EvE, I understand that anyone. A-N-Y-O-N-E can shoot at me, at anytime.

This concept is lost to a lot of players playing EvE. They are the ones that want CCP to hold their hands.
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#452 - 2014-09-11 12:20:59 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
A POS is almost irrelevant now, and 0% tax only affects missioners.


How do hisec miners compress ore if not in a pos?

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#453 - 2014-09-11 12:32:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Syn Shi wrote:
they aren't there for the pvp.


Actually, this is exactly why many people are in high sec. Some of my best fights have gone down in high sec, including solo skirmishes against small fleets, whelping in high security systems by taking on war targets with my security status down low enough for the police to come after me while I shoot a Thorax (which I killed just before dying to the po-po, it was a damn good fight and a lot of fun, and as a result of my whelping, I helped save our newbfleet from getting pulverised by said Thorax). Dude, I had a 15 minute long frigate duel with a wartarget in highsec. 15 ******* minutes dude. Do you know how unheard of that is? It pretty much never happens.

I'd link the video but I keep getting accused of shameless plugging..... ah, **** it.

There's excellent PVP to be had all over New Eden. That's because no single area of it is excluded from PVP. If you're staying in high sec to avoid PVP, you might manage to actually succeed, but if you're looking for PVP, there's zero reason to avoid highsec. There's nothing visa-versa about it.


So just to be clear, your best Ship vs Ship has been against others who are also looking to Ship vs Ship and wasn't stomping those who had no chance (aka new players and/or indy players).?


Yes.

But I don't check out how good someone is before I engage them. By the time I've done that, they're seven systems away. I'm not going to stop and ask, "excuse me sir, would you like to PVP or should I just leave you be?" Because I don't care if they want to PVP or not, that's not my problem. We've been over how EVE is a PVP game and anyone playing it accepts that they can be unexpectedly violenced anywhere, anytime.

I'm not going to ask him how he's fit, I don't have scout alts, I'm a single-account player and every kill and loss on my killboard has been done with a single account. Sometimes I've been with friends with scouts, sometimes they've gathered the intel. Do I join blobs? Of course I do. I'm not going to sit here and be told by anyone what real PVP is and is not, though.

If it can be shot, imma shoot it. No matter how big or small, old or new, armed or not, it's open season and I intend to cash in. Capiche?

Additionally, no. Some of my best PVP has been forced on someone else who didn't want to PVP but put up a damn good fight anyway.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Dave Stark
#454 - 2014-09-11 12:36:34 UTC
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
A POS is almost irrelevant now, and 0% tax only affects missioners.


How do hisec miners compress ore if not in a pos?



they don't, that's why goons were whining about it the other day.
besides, there are still plenty of industrialists in high sec that are willing to buy your minerals if you refine instead of compress.
Seneca Auran
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#455 - 2014-09-11 12:44:54 UTC
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:

You sound as if you disapprove of people picking their battles and only engaging in those they think they can win. I call it smart.


Sort of like small industrial/mining corps picking their battles and avoiding war decs that they can't possibly win?

So when a 'PVP'er' avoids fights where he might actually lose and goes after easy pickings: Playing smart, picking his battles.

When a non PVP'er avoids fights they are pretty much guaranteed to lose?: Abusing game mechanics! Ruining EVE! Playing the wrong way!

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Yeah, in that it's not used in any way because dec dodging is better, cheaper, and has no consequences.


Or it's not used in any way because it's entirely up to the attacker as to whether or not to take it, or to just keep farming your corp for another week.

All the suggestions for 'fixing' war decs seem to boil down to , "The attacker should be in absolute control of the war at all times, and the only option for the defender should be to either accept it, or to spend a week in an NPC corp as punishment ."

Though actually, we could kill two birds with one stone. One of the suggestions was to make the defender pay the cost of the war dec to disband, why not just use that to make the surrender mechanic viable?

50 million ISK is the fixed price for a surrender, and once the defending corp pays, the war ends. If we can bribe CONCORD to look the other way, ought to be able to bribe them to pay attention again.
Senyu Takashi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#456 - 2014-09-11 12:50:38 UTC
Seneca Auran wrote:


Though actually, we could kill two birds with one stone. One of the suggestions was to make the defender pay the cost of the war dec to disband, why not just use that to make the surrender mechanic viable?

50 million ISK is the fixed price for a surrender, and once the defending corp pays, the war ends. If we can bribe CONCORD to look the other way, ought to be able to bribe them to pay attention again.


^^ This.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#457 - 2014-09-11 12:51:57 UTC
Seneca Auran wrote:

All the suggestions for 'fixing' war decs seem to boil down to , "The attacker should be in absolute control of the war at all times, and the only option for the defender should be to either accept it, or to spend a week in an NPC corp as punishment ."



Well, thanks for proving that you weren't listening at least.

Also, you do know that you can fight back? Everyone has gun skills, to the best of my knowledge. If you are defenseless in EVE Online, it's because you chose to be that way.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#458 - 2014-09-11 12:53:35 UTC
Seneca Auran wrote:
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:

You sound as if you disapprove of people picking their battles and only engaging in those they think they can win. I call it smart.


Sort of like small industrial/mining corps picking their battles and avoiding war decs that they can't possibly win?

So when a 'PVP'er' avoids fights where he might actually lose and goes after easy pickings: Playing smart, picking his battles.

When a non PVP'er avoids fights they are pretty much guaranteed to lose?: Abusing game mechanics! Ruining EVE! Playing the wrong way!


The difference is that one party is using existing game mechanics for what I think we can all assume to be their intended use. The other party is using game mechanics to circumvent other game mechanics. That sounds like an exploit to me...

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Prince Kobol
#459 - 2014-09-11 12:54:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Syn Shi wrote:




You miss one important point that goes with more people in Hi-Sec....they aren't there for the pvp. Only conclusion I can come to is if someone is in hi-sec for pvp what they are really looking for is easy kills.

And if someone brings more people, get some friends of your own. That's what they say to all the miners and haulers. There are many avenues open for someone to get the war they want.



Is Eve a PvP game or not?

If you are playing Eve then it doesn't matter what area of space you are in, you accept that this is PvP game and thus accept that anybody at anytime can shoot at you
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#460 - 2014-09-11 12:55:17 UTC
Senyu Takashi wrote:
Seneca Auran wrote:


Though actually, we could kill two birds with one stone. One of the suggestions was to make the defender pay the cost of the war dec to disband, why not just use that to make the surrender mechanic viable?

50 million ISK is the fixed price for a surrender, and once the defending corp pays, the war ends. If we can bribe CONCORD to look the other way, ought to be able to bribe them to pay attention again.


^^ This.


So in other words, you guys think that anyone with 50M isk can be immune to wardecs? Why even bother having wardecs if thats going to be the case?

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