EVE General Discussion

I'm pretty sure he's trying to say that, he's blown stuff up and been blown up and never once been threatened for it or whatever, so for it to happen to someone else, they must have provoked it in some other way to begin with. That's how I understood it.

Yes thats what i meant.

That is idiotic. If a person would forego RL expenditures that are as basic a need as sustenance to supply an internet spaceship ransom, that person is neither reasonable or prudent, definitely not mature, and needs a wake up. Yes i realize that is an opinion.

But even if they did, that is their real life choice that has real life reprecussions, that THEY made. Choosing not to pay an internet spaceship ransom has no pertinent reprecussions except you lose pixels (which you acknowledged you had the risk of losing without compensation the moment you undocked anyways).

Your house is awarded no points.

I'm sorry Falcon, but I disagree with you almost entirely. It's absolutely not cut and dried. You have a game where an unofficial motto is "Harden the f*** up" (or derivatives), I have heard and seen CCP employees using this phrase several times. Others state that you should "trust noone".

This game is a game where what would be considered griefing by almost any other multiplayer game is not only accepted, but it is encouraged. This is a game where people are allowed to lie, cheat, steal, gank and destroy thousands of hours or more of peoples hard worked time and "harvesting tears" is an alliance past time. A game with events like hulkageddon, burn jita and countless other examples of griefing and harassment. By any definition many of these constitute harassment. If you are banning people for it in a game where you allow and encourage these things to happen, then you'd better bet that it IS your job to dictate what you constitute human decency.

All of the above are savage examples of a lack of human decency that you ENCOURAGE. I find every single one of them disgusting, as do many other people. There are other examples that I would find completely lacking in human decency as well. You cannot turn around and tell people they should know what constitutes human decency, while encouraging and permitting the lack of same.

You want it to be cut and dry, but it's not. You are now in a situation where noone has any idea what the line is because actions taken for some griefing are inconsistent with actions taken years ago. It's time CCP stopped hotfooting around this issue and trying to avoid the issue. You created this situation directly, or indirectly and it's unacceptable to try and skirt responsibility on the grounds that everyone should be aware of what human decency is. Most of the acts in the game wouldn't happen if people actually followed your human decency credo that you're spouting now that something truly awful has happened (I'm inferring based on the reaction, as of course transparency only goes so far and there's little information on what actually happened).

Let me be clear, I love the game and it's one with a unique community found nowhere else and that these actions are allowed is partly what makes it what it is.

That being said, you can't say, well we're going to allow you to not bother with human decency for the most part, excepting where we think you've gone too far. It just doesn't work and is the coward's way around. Yes people will skirt the rules, that's what people do. But by having rules you actually set a standard that if broken you can take action.

It's also worth bearing in mind that the concept of "human decency" fluctuates based on culture, country and over time. One hundred years ago, racism, homophobia and women's rights were very different than today. As little as a few years ago marriage for homosexuals was a pipe dream. In parts of Africa, homosexuals are punished harshly by society. In the Middle East, women have much fewer rights. You can't just claim human decency as a blanket coverall and hope that absolves CCP of responsibility.

I might well get banned for this post depending on how CCP are feeling at the moment, this post might get removed. If one of those things happen then it was a fun time, but I wouldn't want to be part of a game who refuses to take responsibility for the world it created.

If this behaviour cannot be done to a total stranger on the street and it would cause someone to contact the authorities, then the alleged violations are not part of human social interaction

Well, you're wrong, and I explained my experience: I was doxed without said RL provocation.

Ahhh, spring cleaning.
Nice to see that some trash has been taken out.
Well done, [].

I find it kinda funny how people are still trying to sell this psychopatic behavior as the regular scam.
He had no assets, no point in mocking him any further. Let him sing a song or two afterwards, fine.
However dragging on for hours is outright psychopathic and doesnt add anything to the game.

CCP should be applauded by their stance.