EVE General Discussion

Because turtles?

CCP,

Explain how people who showed up to Teamspeak to receive contracts of assets (and didn't participate in all the "pageantry" that got E1 banned) is harassment? Those people did nothing more than receive assets like any other isk doubler/scammer. Furthermore, what constitutes Teamspeak to be real life? Especially since the victim showed up to someone else's teamspeak and could've left it at any time?

I had nothing to do with the whole ordeal but it smells awful fishy.

This thread is perfect bait...

Indeed. At a distance all this uncertainty as to which rules were broken and by who is quite unsettling. I understand that CCP has the authority and even responsibility to decide who gets to play their game, but this lack of clarity on which lines were crossed is taking away some of my enthusiasm for the game.

This commentary from Erotica 1 on these recent bans is floating around if anyone is interested:

https://imgur.com/EtfsmXj

That is idiotic. If a person would forego RL expenditures that are as basic a need as sustenance to supply an internet spaceship ransom, that person is neither reasonable or prudent, definitely not mature, and needs a wake up. Yes i realize that is an opinion.

But even if they did, that is their real life choice that has real life reprecussions, that THEY made. Choosing not to pay an internet spaceship ransom has no pertinent reprecussions except you lose pixels (which you acknowledged you had the risk of losing without compensation the moment you undocked anyways).

Your house is awarded no points.

E1 posting with more insight and wisdom than pretty much anyone else on this topic.

Not sure how feel.

Sure, but that doesn't seem to be the case. It seems that people who had no connection, or only a tangential connection to pre-Erotica 1 ban bonus rooms have been permabanned. I guess they could all be lying and were continuing to run secret, harassment-filled bonus rooms that earned them this punishment, but there are so many of them that appears unlikely.

Maybe there were a number of incidents of varying types that were adjudicated on the same day, the way a judge in a court may hear multiple cases on different topics in a single day. And I can't help but remember that Red was "the only guilty man in Shawshank".

I'm sorry Falcon, but I disagree with you almost entirely. It's absolutely not cut and dried. You have a game where an unofficial motto is "Harden the f*** up" (or derivatives), I have heard and seen CCP employees using this phrase several times. Others state that you should "trust noone".

This game is a game where what would be considered griefing by almost any other multiplayer game is not only accepted, but it is encouraged. This is a game where people are allowed to lie, cheat, steal, gank and destroy thousands of hours or more of peoples hard worked time and "harvesting tears" is an alliance past time. A game with events like hulkageddon, burn jita and countless other examples of griefing and harassment. By any definition many of these constitute harassment. If you are banning people for it in a game where you allow and encourage these things to happen, then you'd better bet that it IS your job to dictate what you constitute human decency.

All of the above are savage examples of a lack of human decency that you ENCOURAGE. I find every single one of them disgusting, as do many other people. There are other examples that I would find completely lacking in human decency as well. You cannot turn around and tell people they should know what constitutes human decency, while encouraging and permitting the lack of same.

You want it to be cut and dry, but it's not. You are now in a situation where noone has any idea what the line is because actions taken for some griefing are inconsistent with actions taken years ago. It's time CCP stopped hotfooting around this issue and trying to avoid the issue. You created this situation directly, or indirectly and it's unacceptable to try and skirt responsibility on the grounds that everyone should be aware of what human decency is. Most of the acts in the game wouldn't happen if people actually followed your human decency credo that you're spouting now that something truly awful has happened (I'm inferring based on the reaction, as of course transparency only goes so far and there's little information on what actually happened).

Let me be clear, I love the game and it's one with a unique community found nowhere else and that these actions are allowed is partly what makes it what it is.

That being said, you can't say, well we're going to allow you to not bother with human decency for the most part, excepting where we think you've gone too far. It just doesn't work and is the coward's way around. Yes people will skirt the rules, that's what people do. But by having rules you actually set a standard that if broken you can take action.

It's also worth bearing in mind that the concept of "human decency" fluctuates based on culture, country and over time. One hundred years ago, racism, homophobia and women's rights were very different than today. As little as a few years ago marriage for homosexuals was a pipe dream. In parts of Africa, homosexuals are punished harshly by society. In the Middle East, women have much fewer rights. You can't just claim human decency as a blanket coverall and hope that absolves CCP of responsibility.

I might well get banned for this post depending on how CCP are feeling at the moment, this post might get removed. If one of those things happen then it was a fun time, but I wouldn't want to be part of a game who refuses to take responsibility for the world it created.

I draw a line myself.

"Would I tolerate this behaviour if a poker opponent did it to throw me on tilt?"

If yes, it's just competitive behaviour. If no, I generally either ask them not to repeat it, or petition it if it's really bad.