EVE General Discussion

It is your call to take responsability of your actions. If you think that it is somebody else's job to judge your behavior on your behalf, maybe you should just resign from being (or becoming) an adult.

I don't actually know what the point is that you're trying to make. My point is the lack of consistency. Is that your point too? It seems to be but for the record, I'm not any kind of player really, I just do whatever the **** I want. Sometimes I fly 1 bil officer fit Ishkurs in PVP. Whatever, I do what I want. Sometimes, I sit on stargates in Talwars and pretend to hump them. Whatever, I do what I want. Sometimes, I chase lost newbies through wormholes while yelling "NOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM" in local. Whatever, I do what I want.

What I don't do is break the rules or harass anyone in the real world. Never have. Jump on coms with me and all you're gonna get is, "If you've never tried Crown Lager, you've never liv..... wait, did you just call me a drunk? I swear to drunk I'm not god, and you can't prove I'm not god!!!!"

And you know, other general silliness. That's what kind of player I am I guess, one trying to have fun.

Really? Are you twelve or what? For the case your are. Ask your mom, she knows.

I asked my mum how she thinks I should behave in EVE. She just said,

"What the **** is EVE? Are you on drugs again?"

so what you are saying is you´re not going to tell ppl how to behave, you´re just gonna ban them when they dont behave and not even let us know where the line is drawn?
That is a LARGE grey area my friends, one im not sure i want to be a part of.[/quote]

Sure.

It's like a strip bar. You know what you're running and you know that while most customers are fine there's going to be a lot of creepers and pervs in the mix. It's too much hassle to sort out at the door so you just let them all in. When the pervs start whipping it out or saying disgusting things and upsetting the girls, then the bouncer comes over and throws them out. Or maybe not, maybe the perv is actually a celebrity or something, maybe he's just got one of those faces that fit, then you tell the girls to go back and and cool down and forget what happened.

The difference is the guy who owns the strip club knows (or at least, admits) what he's doing. If he really had a problem with the girls being harassed, well, why doesn't he just shut the place down and open a tea shop or something.[/quote]

This is completely wrong! I have found out that going to a venue as you have mentioned with a score card and judging said performances such as an Olympic gymnastic event... is frowned on. (I am sorry Cherry, you didn't hit the landing, so it's just a 7.3)
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so what you are saying let ppl do the "crime" that isn´t even clear what it is and then handle/deal with it? why not just have a clear rule and ppl that don´t like the rule can go and play something else[/quote]


I am just stating that if there isn't a clear line of said 'crime' then there is no clear nor present danger (had to slip this in sorry) So due to the vagueness of this definition, because I lost a ship I flew that I could not afford to fly/replace, it hurt me. Hence out of game harassment. So I guess we need to ask everyone from now on if they are able to afford the ship/pod/POS/Mod that is being used before engaging in the spaceship shooting of said spaceships. I'd had to cause someone some loss sleep because they lost a faction fit T3 or an incursion ship.

Now as to define as you stated the 'crime' yes. Even something as a clarification instead of this generic 'THE FLOOR IS LAVA!' phrasing that is currently being use would be fantastic. This case by case basis I feel might end up being a little biased. While yes, there will always be grey areas, there needs to be at least some semblance of the line drawn, rather than just stating that there is a line. And make sure you don't scuff said line, touch said line, look at said line, or cross said line. Because even if you can't see said line, said line can affect you. And on a case by case basis, said line can be moved.

Except you've already stated you have no fault with the conclusion, so there's no contribution to be made on the view - as evidenced of your points being contrary to that.

What I don't get is how you believe it's an argument and not a discussion. That's an astonishing insight. When you use the word "attack", you set the context to heated, as there's no place for "attack" within the realms of rational discussion. There's no definition of the word 'attack' that could allow for the context to be any other way. It's clearly just a Freudian slip of your intent. HTFU.

I will donate 100,000,000 ISK to the first person that can present a reasonable argument here, that doesn't contain at least one logical fallacy. Reasonable is at my own discretion, because I can do that, and it's a term well used in legal precedent and business practice.

Sorry, can't, contains a logical fallacy.

What a fantastically well written post, which speaks to the heart of the matter very precisely.

It should be (and very probably is) blindingly obvious to any right minded individual when they are overstepping the mark, and I for one don't want to have to play the same game as people who honestly have sociopathic proclivities.

Well, that clears that up.