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A Reminder Regarding Real Life Harassment

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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#101 - 2014-09-11 06:06:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
The absence of a clear line means that you won't see consistent treatment from the GMs. Two similar cases could be treated entirely differently, depending on who gets to process a ticket. And that's a very dangerous position to take on the issue.

In the absence of law, good men get punished, and evil ones walk free.

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#102 - 2014-09-11 06:11:31 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
The absence of a clear line means that you won't see consistent treatment from the GMs. Two similar cases could be treated entirely differently, depending on who gets to process a ticket. And that's a very dangerous position to take on the issue.


I think what happened is since CCP Falcon gave the anti ganking crowd the cold shoulder they found someone else who would listen. That person took the opportunity to lay some smackdown on the gankers. I know players like Veers are probably so excited now..
M3PHIST0
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2014-09-11 06:17:00 UTC
So the guys scammed and trolled the hell out of people. Big Deal. Thats within EULA. If people are getting banned for trolling on teamspeak then you might as well ban half of every big alliance out there.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#104 - 2014-09-11 06:18:54 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
The absence of a clear line means that you won't see consistent treatment from the GMs. Two similar cases could be treated entirely differently, depending on who gets to process a ticket. And that's a very dangerous position to take on the issue.


I think what happened is since CCP Falcon gave the anti ganking crowd the cold shoulder they found someone else who would listen. That person took the opportunity to lay some smackdown on the gankers. I know players like Veers are probably so excited now..


Hardly excited. And this action is not taken against the gankers (its against the scammers if anything). But I do fully approve of this. People should understand how to act with at least a basic level of common decency, and I was appalled at the various recordings on coms that I heard. Personally, I would just avoid any kind of negative and potentially humiliating chatter over voice coms. That way you don't need to wonder where exactly the line is. Just stay clearly on the right side, and you will never have any worries.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#105 - 2014-09-11 06:20:11 UTC
IIshira wrote:

I don't want to get banned for hurting someone's feelings when I blow up their ship...


If that was even remotely likely to be what happens, there'd be about 6 people subbed right now since the other 299,994 would have been banned.

Could you and your lickspittle Kaarous at least try to come up with something close to plausible to cry over. It's not that I don't like your tears. It's just that they're not as tasty when they're so easy to harvest.

Mr Epeen Cool
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#106 - 2014-09-11 06:21:29 UTC
M3PHIST0 wrote:
So the guys scammed and trolled the hell out of people. Big Deal. Thats within EULA. If people are getting banned for trolling on teamspeak then you might as well ban half of every big alliance out there.


TBH some of the bonus room stuff went a bit too far...

I think there's a middle ground where some need to get thicker skin while others need to be a little bit more careful about what they do..

All I'm saying is make the rules clear... I don't want to be smashed by CCP for breaking some secret rule.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#107 - 2014-09-11 06:24:56 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
IIshira wrote:

I don't want to get banned for hurting someone's feelings when I blow up their ship...


If that was even remotely likely to be what happens, there'd be about 6 people subbed right now since the other 299,994 would have been banned.

Could you and your lickspittle Kaarous at least try to come up with something close to plausible to cry over. It's not that I don't like your tears. It's just that they're not as tasty when they're so easy to harvest.

Mr Epeen Cool


lickspittle Kaarous?... Are you even old enough to play Eve?
M3PHIST0
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2014-09-11 06:26:05 UTC
IIshira wrote:
M3PHIST0 wrote:
So the guys scammed and trolled the hell out of people. Big Deal. Thats within EULA. If people are getting banned for trolling on teamspeak then you might as well ban half of every big alliance out there.


TBH some of the bonus room stuff went a bit too far...

I think there's a middle ground where some need to get thicker skin while others need to be a little bit more careful about what they do..

All I'm saying is make the rules clear... I don't want to be smashed by CCP for breaking some secret rule.


A little clarification would be nice. I know a few of the people that got banned and they're just trolls like alot of us are, yet they got all accts perma banned. Personally I think perma ban if a bit far. A month or two would suffice just fine.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2014-09-11 06:26:07 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
IIshira wrote:

I don't want to get banned for hurting someone's feelings when I blow up their ship...


If that was even remotely likely to be what happens, there'd be about 6 people subbed right now since the other 299,994 would have been banned.

Could you and your lickspittle Kaarous at least try to come up with something close to plausible to cry over. It's not that I don't like your tears. It's just that they're not as tasty when they're so easy to harvest.

Mr Epeen Cool


Sure. Let me know when you've been doxed and had your family threatened by players in the game, and CCP does nothing about it. I get what you're saying, I do, but the inconsistency is undeniable when you've experienced it first hand. I even put up the evidence of it for people to see and was dismissed as 'crying'. I assure you, I never cried a tear. The people responsible had a little visit from the police and, unfortunately, the rest is subject to a nondisclosure agreement, but I can tell you this much - the police gave me some information that will allow me to hold CCP fully accountable to the law should it ever happen again based on their own decisions in policy management so far.

So I'm not crying. I'm hoping I don't get doxed again but, there's also a small part of me that hopes I do. I love EVE, and I love CCP too. I love them so much that I just can't allow them to fall for the trap of double standards.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#110 - 2014-09-11 06:28:09 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
IIshira wrote:

I don't want to get banned for hurting someone's feelings when I blow up their ship...


If that was even remotely likely to be what happens, there'd be about 6 people subbed right now since the other 299,994 would have been banned.

Could you and your lickspittle Kaarous at least try to come up with something close to plausible to cry over. It's not that I don't like your tears. It's just that they're not as tasty when they're so easy to harvest.

Mr Epeen Cool


Sure. Let me know when you've been doxed and had your family threatened by players in the game, and CCP does nothing about it. I get what you're saying, I do, but the inconsistency is undeniable when you've experienced it first hand. I even put up the evidence of it for people to see and was dismissed as 'crying'. I assure you, I never cried a tear. The people responsible had a little visit from the police and, unfortunately, the rest is subject to a nondisclosure agreement, but I can tell you this much - the police gave me some information that will allow me to hold CCP fully accountable to the law should it ever happen again based on their own decisions in policy management so far.

So I'm not crying. I'm hoping I don't get doxed again but, there's also a small part of me that hopes I do. I love EVE, and I love CCP too. I love them so much that I just can't allow them to fall for the trap of double standards.


Uh oh.

Mr Epeen Cool
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2014-09-11 06:30:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Mike Azariah
They stood next to the sign looking out at the long grass. Right next to them was a sign reading 'Danger, Minefield'

"Where are the mines?" The thin one asked.

"Out there, somewhere." The man with the mustache replied.

"But I want to know where, so I can go into the field anytime I want."

"Not gonna happen. You con go play there, though I will think you stupid for doing so and I'd appreciate if you would let me walk back a ways, I just had this jacket cleaned." The teeth glinted as a smile grew.

"But what about back there? Are there mines there?" The thin man pointed to where they had been for days.

"Doubt it. We been there for a long time and ain't nobody blown up yet. Nah. Sign says over there and I tend to believe it."

"But what if I want to know for sure? Where the edges are."

The grin widened even more. "Let somebody else go first. Like I said, I'll be over there making a drink and watching from a safe distance. There are lots of fields to play in, that one never was to my taste and so I don't see that the minefield makes that big a difference. Those who go play there, well that would be Darwinism at its best, eh?"

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2014-09-11 06:30:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Mr Epeen wrote:


Uh oh.

Mr Epeen Cool


No, I'm honestly hoping it doesn't come to that at all. If it happens again, the very first thing I'll do is go through the proper channels of the petition system, as I did last time, in the hope that CCP does what they're apparently committed to doing - making their online community a secure environment where real life harassment is not allowed to perpetuate.

I'm 100% down with that ideal. I just want to see them enforce it with consistency.

This particular situation though, I've already gotten more involved that I wanted to. I was really just gonna post that link to make people think, and then **** off but, I can't say I'm not annoyed with the lack of information and clarity here.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Rhiannon Marius
Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited
#113 - 2014-09-11 06:32:43 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
They stood next to the sign looking out at the long grass. Right next to them was a sign reading 'Danger, Minefield'

"Where are the mines?" The thin one asked.

"Out there, somewhere." The man with the mustache replied.

"But I want to know where, so I can go into the field anytime I want."

"Not gonna happen. You con go play there, though I will think you stupid for doing so and I'd appreciate if you would let me walk back a ways, I just had this jacket cleaned." The teeth glinted as a smile grew.

"But what about back there? Are there mines there?" The thin man pointed to where they had been for days.

"Doubt it. We been there for a long time and ain't nobody blown up yet. Nah. Sign says over there and I tend to believe it."

"But what if I want to know for sure? Where the edges are."

The grin widened even more. "Let somebody else go first. Like I said, I'll be over there making a drink and watching from a safe distance. There are lots of fields to play in, that one never was to my taste and so I don't see that the minefield makes that big a difference. Those who go play there, well that would be Darwinism at its best, eh?"

m


Perfect.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#114 - 2014-09-11 06:34:24 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:


Uh oh.

Mr Epeen Cool


No, I'm honestly hoping it doesn't come to that at all. If it happens again, the very first thing I'll do is go through the proper channels of the petition system, as I did last time, in the hope that CCP does what they're apparently committed to doing - making their online community a secure environment where real life harassment is not allowed to perpetuate.

I'm 100% down with that ideal. I just want to see them enforce it with consistency.


They won't. There are two sets of rules, for two kinds of players.

That's what I've been forced to conclude since the guy who told me that (and keep in mind that I cleaned it up a lot) he hopes I get aids and give it to my wife, is somehow still playing the game.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2014-09-11 06:38:42 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:


Uh oh.

Mr Epeen Cool


No, I'm honestly hoping it doesn't come to that at all. If it happens again, the very first thing I'll do is go through the proper channels of the petition system, as I did last time, in the hope that CCP does what they're apparently committed to doing - making their online community a secure environment where real life harassment is not allowed to perpetuate.

I'm 100% down with that ideal. I just want to see them enforce it with consistency.


They won't. There are two sets of rules, for two kinds of players.

That's what I've been forced to conclude since the guy who told me that (and keep in mind that I cleaned it up a lot) he hopes I get aids and give it to my wife, is somehow still playing the game.


My real life mother and sister were mentioned by name, along with a list of things the player suggested he'd like to do them. They are still playing the game today, I have them on watchlist. I have no idea who else they've treated this way.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#116 - 2014-09-11 06:38:59 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
*snip*


Close, but no cigar.

It's more like a man who wakes up one day to find a sign that says "minefield" on his front yard, where he's lived for a while without any problems.

People tell him, "oh, just figure it out for yourself".

Does that man have a right to be upset, or not?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2014-09-11 06:39:21 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
IIshira wrote:

I don't want to get banned for hurting someone's feelings when I blow up their ship...


If that was even remotely likely to be what happens, there'd be about 6 people subbed right now since the other 299,994 would have been banned.

Could you and your lickspittle Kaarous at least try to come up with something close to plausible to cry over. It's not that I don't like your tears. It's just that they're not as tasty when they're so easy to harvest.

Mr Epeen Cool



If you can go ahead and explain where this post by Falcon falls with relation to the harassment described in this thread. I'm having trouble sorting out the difference.


I'm failing to see a clear distinction because:
CCP Falcon wrote:


Eve is not a game for the faint hearted. It's a game that will chew you up and spit you out in the blink of an eye if you even think about letting your guard down or becoming complacent.

...

The entire design is based around being harsh, vicious, relentless, hostile and cold. It's about action and reaction, and the story that unfolds as you experience these two things.

...

EVE is designed to be harsh, it's designed to be challenging, and it's designed to be so deep and complex that it should fascinate and terrify you at the same time.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Rhiannon Marius
Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited
#118 - 2014-09-11 06:43:41 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
*snip*


Close, but no cigar.

It's more like a man who wakes up one day to find a sign that says "minefield" on his front yard, where he's lived for a while without any problems.

People tell him, "oh, just figure it out for yourself".

Does that man have a right to be upset, or not?


Exactly how many times have stepped on a land mine? Have you been doing the things that got the others blown up? If you have stepped on one you now know better. If not you either know by now how to avoid one, or you cannot learn how to avoid one.
Solecist Project
#119 - 2014-09-11 06:43:42 UTC
You wrote this post WHILE talking to me ...
... and you still don't get it?

Let me explain it for you, in a mail ...
... but first I have to calm down, because that was really mean .......

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#120 - 2014-09-11 06:47:47 UTC
Rhiannon Marius wrote:

Exactly how many times have stepped on a land mine?


Since we're still keeping with the analogy, yes, I have, once.

A GM once told me that putting up lowball buy orders in Osmon or other Sisters of EVE areas is considered "taking advantage of new players".


Quote:

Have you been doing the things that got the others blown up?


Since they refuse to talk about it, I don't know if I have or not. I run shitloads of scams, for example.


Quote:

If you have stepped on one you now know better.


No, you don't. Because typically, you're "dead". And if you're not "dead", you're left scratching your head as to why the eff you just got told that trying to buy LP items at a low price is against the rules.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.