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here is a flipside to that arguement, and yes, I am familiar with the video. PL also made a similar video

Those video work on Bumping from cynoing in, if you rule bumping when you cyno in is an exploit, then you might as well remove cynos from the game

If you rule that bumping from a cyno event shouldn't result in a kill, then the hundreds of JF that bumped off a station or other place would also not be legal kills due to bumping from cyno event.

PL also lost a Titan down south when it cyno'd in with a group of other titans and it bumped so hard it got out of rep range of the fleet and died, was that an exploit, should we petition and have it replaced?


Short of making "cyno can't be lit within 50km of pos shield" or some crap, bumping is going to happen and players have ZERO control, there was as much chance of nothing as there was at something there.


But, be prepared for what you wish for, if you make killing something from a bump that the player can NOT control when they cyno in somewhere.

Sure, but the exploit pilots were specifically doing it on purpose with special fits


Bumping on cyno is something pilots certainly have ZERO control over it

CSM please advise http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2g0wvb/irrefutable_evidence_sans_fraps_that_ncdot_titans/

Personally I would say that if using ships to bump a ship out of a POS forcefield is an exploit, this tactic as you describe it seems about the same, regardless of the risks involved... but what do I know? Given how likely your own ships are to get bounced off the shield at a decent velocity, it doesn't seem to be tactically sound unless you're doing it to bump out what's inside.

I see no issue with an incoming ship bouncing off something and getting lost due to going out of rep range or whatever, but certainly I've seen elsewhere that intentionally bumping ships out of a POS shield without access to the POS is a no no. Condoning this particular tactic on the other hand would certainly open it up to much wider use, and if it's ok with titans, why not dreads and carriers? That would seem to be more cost effective if they have the mass for it.

I'll be happy to ask the question for you though since my personal opinions on the matter mean nothing when it comes to CCP classing this particular tactic as an exploit or not. Clarification on this, if it happened as you say, would be nice.

Anyone that would defend this as a legitimate tactic is not being honest. It's quite obviously not intended game mechanics.

So basically it's okay to exploit game mechanics (server ticks) if we do it with Titans but it's bannable if we do it with a Battleship?

Don't get me wrong, I understand that the reason, that stuff like this is working has to do with multiple factors like invisible model size, server ticks, mass, bad pos code and god knows what else. We do not ask for a fix because it's probably impossible to do in a timely manner. But you can't just come along and declare that this obvious exploit (that CCP itself declared as a bannable offense) is suddenly 'emergent gameplay' if you do it under the right circumstances. There is absolutley ZERO difference between applying this 'tactic' with subcaps or supercapitals, they exploit exactly the same flaw in the code and mechanics and by CCPs own ruling thats an exploit.

If you decided to change this, you should have announced it in a Devblog for everyone to see. This way you gave an extremely unfair advantage to two playergroups in the game, without telling anyone else. Looks like some things will never change.

Yes, very familiar with it, but I am pretty sure saying what it is or how it worked on forums is the same as doing it in game, which is why i have refereed to it but never said what or how to do it

"because of this very particular hypothetical edge case, this exploit should not be considered an exploit"

this just reeks of desperation

hint: the exploit isn't jumping titans, it's not using a cyno, it's doing a combination of the two with the intent of bumping a ship out of a forcefield when the ship is entirely enclosed by the shields

So, if everyone puts in the password and waits for cyno, meanwhile someone changes the pos password or the leaked password is wrong and they jump, is it still an exploit?

I mean when you hit jump you THOUGHT you had the correct password, there is no INTENT, it was an accident, yet you get banned for it