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Federation Ground Troops?

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Lucien Rouen
#1 - 2014-09-10 20:53:30 UTC
After looking through various PF sources, I have not been able to find reference to the name of the 'army' or ground troop branch of the Federation military. There is a trade good called 'Gallente light marine,' but that is it. Does anyone know if there is a specific branch? Federation Army? Federation Marine Force? Something of that sort? Or is everything handled by the Federation Navy?

Thanks!
Louella Dougans
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
#2 - 2014-09-12 09:35:07 UTC
Federation Army.

Might be a division of the Navy, not sure on the exact nature of how things are organised. Though, I think most armed forces are arranged that way - the Navy being the overall command structure, with marine and army units as part of the whole. The Royal Khanid Navy is like that in particular - the Uhlan mechanised infantry divisions are a part of the RKN.

There's a mention of the Federation Army in this:

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Hometown_Heroes_(Chronicle)


There is also an NPC corp "Federal Marines" ingame, it is one of the many such corps created for DUST, as well. CEO has the rank of General.

Description:
"The Federal Marines have a long, proud history of serving the Gallente Federation in space and on planetary bodies. They are among the elite troops of the Federal military and typically at the forefront when the Gallente Federation goes to the extreme of intervening militarily in planetary conflicts across New Eden."


I'd lean towards thinking the Federation Navy is the senior service, with the Marines and Army being parts. The Federal Marines for combat in space, including actions on asteroid colonies, deep space habitat modules, stations and so on, as well as being an equivalent of paratroopers, with a lot of mobility, but not so much heavy weaponry. The Army on the other hand would be purely about ground combat, and likely would have heavier equipment, for prolonged campaigns. Armour, artillery and the like. Army might also be the branch that would staff the ground defence installations, like surface-to-orbit missile and railgun batteries and so on.

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Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#3 - 2014-09-13 00:32:21 UTC
While I don't have time at the moment to properly source, and I'm aware you asked about the Federation, but the Caldari have a similar structure as Louella described.

The Caldari Navy is the primary military force of the Caldari State. It too has a marine element. There is also the Caldari Army which is a garrison force. It doesn't have the mobility of the Navy/Marines.

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CCP Falcon
#4 - 2014-09-13 00:53:45 UTC
Louella Dougans wrote:
Federation Army.


This.

As has been pointed out there's also Federal Marines. I'd be sure there'd also be a Federal Air Force and traditional seabound Federation Navy. There's also the GPD.

As was seen during Operation Highlander, the whole military is referred to as the Federal Combined Armed Forces.

Hope this helps Smile


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Lucien Rouen
#5 - 2014-09-13 13:15:48 UTC
Thank you very much folks!
Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#6 - 2014-09-13 16:00:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tavin Aikisen
CCP Falcon wrote:
traditional seabound Federation Navy.



Now this interesting. The first thought that came to mind was 'that fish' in the Jita 4-4 Chronicle. It's clear from how quickly that fish is extracted from the water and transported, that EVE's travel and logistics system is quite advanced.

So it begs the question, why would they still have a traditional navy? Even modern navies today have seen a massive shift in capability and direction in the last 80 years. In a world where a fish can be plucked from the water and sent on an interstellar journey in an hour, what good is a ship sailing at 30 knots?

Not critcising the concept. I'm genuinely curious! :)

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Utsukushi Shi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-09-21 22:49:23 UTC
Pure speculation here but I would imagine their navy being more focused on providing bases of operations for troops/aircraft in situations where simply using air or space based assets is untenable. Like aircraft carriers/amphibious marines/maybe ground effect style tanks.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#8 - 2014-09-22 09:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
As for me, any level of ground and space army is needed in an empire. Special forces with infantry and demolitions for special operations, spais, space siege cannons to "level ground". But you will not shoot with these cannons to a mosquito, so there is need to prepare many kinds of force projection. Just like now, you have heavy artillery and light mortars and granade launchers for corner to corner fighting, will the need arises. You will not level to the ground your own city with space artillery, when there are few bad guys doing the work in your city hall. The planetary fleet would be good for its price - effect ratio, submargable, able to land on ground and able to fly ships would make a great work anytime on any terrain, on any planet. Differentiated in size, fast and packed with different kind of force projection, as troops, drones and missiles. This would be a fleet of future I think.
Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2014-09-24 14:13:45 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
[Federal Air Force]


I was expecting a Starship Troopers image for this. was left disappaointed.


Would have liked to have known more..

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CCP Falcon
#10 - 2014-10-03 03:30:12 UTC
Tavin Aikisen wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
traditional seabound Federation Navy.



Now this interesting. The first thought that came to mind was 'that fish' in the Jita 4-4 Chronicle. It's clear from how quickly that fish is extracted from the water and transported, that EVE's travel and logistics system is quite advanced.

So it begs the question, why would they still have a traditional navy? Even modern navies today have seen a massive shift in capability and direction in the last 80 years. In a world where a fish can be plucked from the water and sent on an interstellar journey in an hour, what good is a ship sailing at 30 knots?

Not critcising the concept. I'm genuinely curious! :)


Why does it have to travel at 30 knots? Blink

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Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#11 - 2014-10-03 05:04:12 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Tavin Aikisen wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
traditional seabound Federation Navy.



Now this interesting. The first thought that came to mind was 'that fish' in the Jita 4-4 Chronicle. It's clear from how quickly that fish is extracted from the water and transported, that EVE's travel and logistics system is quite advanced.

So it begs the question, why would they still have a traditional navy? Even modern navies today have seen a massive shift in capability and direction in the last 80 years. In a world where a fish can be plucked from the water and sent on an interstellar journey in an hour, what good is a ship sailing at 30 knots?

Not critcising the concept. I'm genuinely curious! :)


Why does it have to travel at 30 knots? Blink



An exageration. :P

But that's where my curiousity stems from. I'm curious on just what the New Eden definition is of a traditional sebound navy. I'm curious to what these ships look like and how they opperate. The modern air force has completely changed the way a navy operates and that's only going to change further as both navy and air force extend their doctrine into space.

"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."

-Cold Wind

Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#12 - 2014-10-03 06:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Tavin Aikisen wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Tavin Aikisen wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
traditional seabound Federation Navy.



Now this interesting. The first thought that came to mind was 'that fish' in the Jita 4-4 Chronicle. It's clear from how quickly that fish is extracted from the water and transported, that EVE's travel and logistics system is quite advanced.

So it begs the question, why would they still have a traditional navy? Even modern navies today have seen a massive shift in capability and direction in the last 80 years. In a world where a fish can be plucked from the water and sent on an interstellar journey in an hour, what good is a ship sailing at 30 knots?

Not critcising the concept. I'm genuinely curious! :)


Why does it have to travel at 30 knots? Blink



An exageration. :P

But that's where my curiousity stems from. I'm curious on just what the New Eden definition is of a traditional sebound navy. I'm curious to what these ships look like and how they opperate. The modern air force has completely changed the way a navy operates and that's only going to change further as both navy and air force extend their doctrine into space.


I think, that the Navy would have ships that are not confined only to water basins. Can you think about a ship that can get out from a mothership in space, land on water on planetary surface, and then submerge to do a mission underwater? I can. I can say it is a Navy ship. And it is not a "traditional" ship you think about, when you think about present era ships. Eve world is more advanced, they still can have the seabound Navy, but it would be like nailing your toes to road and wanting to run marathon with the guy that have newest running boots. Fishing wessels would be a civil ships, not Navy ships, and they would do a fishing, not war.

Quote:
I'd be sure there'd also be a Federal Air Force and traditional seabound Federation Navy.


So why not merge them into one and say its Navy?
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#13 - 2014-10-03 19:27:32 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
So why not merge them into one and say its Navy?


I presume for the same reason the US has its naval infantry a completely separate military branch rather than merge it wholesale into the navy (which most countries do).

There may also be ideological reasons for having these separate branches, or more practical political reasoning unique to the Federation. Can't tell you what they might be, though.
Louella Dougans
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
#14 - 2014-10-04 06:51:35 UTC
I think, some entities might fold a sea-going navy, and an air force, into the "Army", such that it has sole responsibility for planetary combat.

Making the "Army", responsible for everything occurring in or on a planet, the "Marines" being troops for combat in space, and the space Navy being all about ship to ship combat.


As for why you'd want/need some kind of sea-going navy - ICBM carrying submarines. Land a few of those onto a world, they'd remain a threat for a long time.

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