EVE General Discussion

Yes, with other awesome methods such as staying docked and not playing EVE. I'd rather people could drop and reform corps than have it so the several thousand targets of the mass wardec groups have to simply not play EVE to avoid being ganked.

And before you go off on a tirade, yes, I'm aware there are further ways to avoid people while actively at war, but for the majority of players they involved you having to do things which have a steep learning curve and are generally of no interest to the type of people a change like this would target. You can;t force people to play a certain way just because you think it's the way they should do it.

I have to admit I can't make my mind up about the dissolving of corps, then remaking the same one 5 mins later.

It's not something I would ever consider tbh, simply because I need access to the hangars which are used to drop stuff in for every character to use for fitting, ore etc. Sorting it all out would be a pain.

Players on the other hand should always have the right to leave without restrictions.

Anyway time to go reflect in my local beer garden for a couple of hours.

Have fun.

I've seen 25 sub 6-month characters all in Ravens kill a Vindi, a Hyperion, Proteus, and a Domi in amarr when I was wardec with them.


You are only a victim if you choose to be one. Every player in EVE has choices that always have repercussion, they shouldn't be babied because they make a choice that makes them vulnerable to a Merc corp. I personally do not want PVE and such to disappear from the game, I however want players to understand that when they make a choice, they understand it, and are taught it properly at the beginning of the game


However I do think that the Wardeccing systems needs change. And I also agree it needs to be looked at from both sides. But not in the way that makes it easy for a corp to drop a dec as easily as they can now.

"no option but to fight back".

Now, that's either a lie, or you really have no experience with this.

I mission during wardecs. Solo. In a faction battleship, a Navy Apocalypse specifically, or a Rattlesnake.

I have yet to lose one of them. I will be doing it this weekend, whilst my corp is under a dec. I won't die then, either. [edit: the last guys who tried limped back to the gate in half structure by the way. The Rattlesnake is way OP.

What I want, is for NPC corps to pay for their increased safety, since less risk should equal less reward. What I want is for the intended mechanic for risk in highsec to not be completely trivial. What I want is to incentivize people to join a player corp, stick with it, defend it, and build something. And those corps that are dysfunctional, telling their newbies to just mine away all day should die in a fire.

In particular, I want highsec corps to actually justify their existence instead of being a glorified chat channel.

This is the main issue. People are targeting corps that are essentially a chat channel with (I hope) lower tax rates. Stop doing that, and the outcomes will be better.

I want to expand on this.

The majority of blanket wardeccers in highsec won't chase you into lowsec. As an experienced Khanid veteran I can tell you now, there is a lot of quiet space in lowsec. It's only scary because it's red - everyone's afraid of red, especially when it's blood. I see blood and I'm just all like, oh ****, is it mine? Shortly before passing out.

And if you're not interested in lowsec, that's fine, because the majority of highsec wardeccers sit on the pipes and trade hubs. All you need to do is not go near them with decced toons, and you're all good. For those corps that do actually go hunting, not being afk will ensure 100% avoidance rates.

Unless you're like RIGID, which will use suicide tackle alts to grab you and jump in a tonne of fast frigates to kill you just as the suicide tackle is dying.... but not everyone is like RIGID and right now, RIGID is on hiatus, so you should be good for a while.

Did I just teach all the wardeccers suicide tackling? Oh well, **** it.

Anyway, those aren't the only ways to keep playing the game while wardecced by, sometimes, up to a thousand players. Seriously, Marmite is one of the easiest groups in the game to avoid specifically because they dec so many people and are so predictable. For other methods, one only need apply a little brain power but, I hear I shouldn't expect to come by much of that in EVE and, in my experience, if there's one thing you can count on in EVE, it's no shortage of people that think they're untouchable in highsec.

What's "properly". Why should people with no interest in shooting have to spend months training the necessary skills and practicing just so they can still lose to a superior skilled group who is used to fighting war targets every day. It's not why they play EVE. If I went to play GTA and got forced to play a round of call of duty at the whims of other players, you can be damn sure the game would g4et chucked.

Agreed. I'd be all for a 7 day corp shutdown timer while at war and a 48 hours player leave timer for example, if it wen hand in hand with a limit to 10 aggressive wars and a doubling of war costs. I'd even consider an NPC corp nerf not out of the question either.

You mistake the correct course of action.

The only way to fix that is for that kind of corp to stop existing. If they aren't doing anything with the game anyway, they should be chased away from a player corp. And when they run, their 7 day cooldown should start up. That would actually make it have some meaning to have decced them.

In addition, player corps should be the sole optimal course of action for pretty much every activity. This would make being able to keep a player corp up and running a valuable and profitable thing, something people are willing to work for, and defend.

There is a price. Its just very low for small corps with no space assets. Choose better. Nothing prevents a 300 man corps from disbanding, unless the leaders don't want to take towers down, abandon POCOs, or they are afraid that no one will re-apply.
Your target selection should be:
"Does this group have a reason to fight me if I war dec them. If they decide to fight are we ready?"

The end. Because if the answer is no, you will get no fights. If it is yes, you will get fights.

Choose better targets.

You're such a hero. I guess you win EVE. CCP, please employ Kaarous and listen to his every ridiculous idea because he's so pro in his battleship.

And what I want is for wardeccers to have to make actual decisions over who and why they dec, and not just wardec everybody because they can do so cheaply. Corps won't thrive under the current situation, the vast majority would just die, so all you will be doing is saying "if you aren't both competent at and interested in the "pew pew" form of PvP, leave". Good luck with CCP surviving the next run of layoffs following that one. Justifying their existence and being thrown to the pro wardeccers groups as fodder are vastly different things.