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[Proposal] Titan's must jump with bridged fleet
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Agatir Solenth
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-09-05 21:40:14 UTC
I'd like to propose:

1) Any titan that bridges a ship/fleet must jump with the vessels to the destination as a fleet, and the ability to bridge the fleet alone be removed.

2) When a titan and its fleet lands, the ships will land around the titan in the same relative position to the titan, as it was at the time of the the fleet jump. The sun would be used as a point of reference relative to the titan prior to jumping and the location of the cyno for landing (Allowing for fleets to form up prior to the jump)

3) Ships could be up to 25km from the titan prior to jumping.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2014-09-05 23:31:14 UTC
Surely this completely and totally prevents smaller alliances from ever using any kind of a titan bridge?

You're not going to see, for example, rooks and kings pipebombing a CFC fleet if they lose a titan every time.
Oddsodz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-09-09 13:32:13 UTC
I 100% Want this., This in it self would curb force projection and bring many MANY Titans out of the safety of the POS. And we all know what happens when things like that come out of POS shields.

They would also mean Fleets that want to travel far to get in on a fight will have to think about do they go fast and bridge all the way risking the titan or take the GATES. Oh look now we have the chance to blockade a route. Now we have the chance of having the "300 HOT GATES".

I Have been asking for this for a very long time. Make it so
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-09-09 13:52:49 UTC
lol yes

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#5 - 2014-09-09 14:57:10 UTC
Oddsodz wrote:
I 100% Want this., This in it self would curb force projection and bring many MANY Titans out of the safety of the POS. And we all know what happens when things like that come out of POS shields.

They would also mean Fleets that want to travel far to get in on a fight will have to think about do they go fast and bridge all the way risking the titan or take the GATES. Oh look now we have the chance to blockade a route. Now we have the chance of having the "300 HOT GATES".

I Have been asking for this for a very long time. Make it so
Actually, the bigger groups would just risk the titan. when you are jumping 1000 megas into a system to blot out the sun, a single titan jumping in then back out is hardly going to be a worry. Smaller groups though with just a couple of titans, they would no longer be able to hit us.

So agreed, let's have this. More power to the blobs!

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-09-09 22:52:51 UTC
Small group are a serious threat to nullsec. Please make this so CCP as we require a mechanic to be changed to protect us from this scourge.

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Agatir Solenth
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-09-10 00:36:07 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
[quote=Oddsodz]Actually, the bigger groups would just risk the titan. when you are jumping 1000 megas into a system to blot out the sun, a single titan jumping in then back out is hardly going to be a worry. Smaller groups though with just a couple of titans, they would no longer be able to hit us.

So agreed, let's have this. More power to the blobs!


What if the "fleet size" had a limit? (Example 100 ships)
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2014-09-10 00:45:56 UTC
Agatir Solenth wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
[quote=Oddsodz]Actually, the bigger groups would just risk the titan. when you are jumping 1000 megas into a system to blot out the sun, a single titan jumping in then back out is hardly going to be a worry. Smaller groups though with just a couple of titans, they would no longer be able to hit us.

So agreed, let's have this. More power to the blobs!


What if the "fleet size" had a limit? (Example 100 ships)



Then you limit the ability for anyone not in a major bloc to ever use a titan bridge even more...
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#9 - 2014-09-10 07:33:05 UTC
Agatir Solenth wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Actually, the bigger groups would just risk the titan. when you are jumping 1000 megas into a system to blot out the sun, a single titan jumping in then back out is hardly going to be a worry. Smaller groups though with just a couple of titans, they would no longer be able to hit us.

So agreed, let's have this. More power to the blobs!
What if the "fleet size" had a limit? (Example 100 ships)
We'd still jump multiple fleets. Titan jumps to empty system with 100, then back alone, then back with the next hundred, etc. Or two at a time, or whatever really. The difference is we still have an enormous backlog of titans, so the larger blobs like us and NC would not suddenly stop projecting because it was more tedious to do. We'd minimise the risk of losing a titan, and if we did lose a couple it wouldn't be the end of the world. The groups with a couple of titans they use to get about though, they would be completely crippled.

I think you need to consider what impact it is you are trying to achieve with this change and see if that impact is achievable in any other way.

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Agatir Solenth
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-09-10 10:23:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Agatir Solenth
Lucas Kell wrote:
Agatir Solenth wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Actually, the bigger groups would just risk the titan. when you are jumping 1000 megas into a system to blot out the sun, a single titan jumping in then back out is hardly going to be a worry. Smaller groups though with just a couple of titans, they would no longer be able to hit us.

So agreed, let's have this. More power to the blobs!
What if the "fleet size" had a limit? (Example 100 ships)
We'd still jump multiple fleets. Titan jumps to empty system with 100, then back alone, then back with the next hundred, etc. Or two at a time, or whatever really. The difference is we still have an enormous backlog of titans, so the larger blobs like us and NC would not suddenly stop projecting because it was more tedious to do. We'd minimise the risk of losing a titan, and if we did lose a couple it wouldn't be the end of the world. The groups with a couple of titans they use to get about though, they would be completely crippled.

I think you need to consider what impact it is you are trying to achieve with this change and see if that impact is achievable in any other way.


There are two goals of this proposal:
1) To get Titans out of POS shields. (It is sad when a password has to be used to get a kill)
2) To make them more vulnerable as they project an entities forces.

Thanks for the feedback/discussion.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#11 - 2014-09-10 10:32:02 UTC
Agatir Solenth wrote:
There are two goals of this proposal:
1) To get Titans out of POS shields. (It is sad when a password has to be used to get a kill)
2) To make them more vulnerable as they project an entities forces.

Thanks for the feedback/discussion.
Hmmm, then the issues may be unavoidable. The problem is always going to be that smaller groups would be unable to cope with a loss of a titan as well as a larger group, so forcing a titan to take risks is always going to be increasing the stranglehold that the larger groups have.

That said, if other changes were to come into place to make reliance on titans less of an issue and to make it harder to control larger areas of space, then I could see this potentially causing less issues, but only though titans just not being used as much all round.

It's a tough one :p

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RoAnnon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-09-11 18:24:12 UTC
We tried to discuss this idea last year in F&I

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2014-09-11 21:01:23 UTC
Agatir Solenth wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Agatir Solenth wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Actually, the bigger groups would just risk the titan. when you are jumping 1000 megas into a system to blot out the sun, a single titan jumping in then back out is hardly going to be a worry. Smaller groups though with just a couple of titans, they would no longer be able to hit us.

So agreed, let's have this. More power to the blobs!
What if the "fleet size" had a limit? (Example 100 ships)
We'd still jump multiple fleets. Titan jumps to empty system with 100, then back alone, then back with the next hundred, etc. Or two at a time, or whatever really. The difference is we still have an enormous backlog of titans, so the larger blobs like us and NC would not suddenly stop projecting because it was more tedious to do. We'd minimise the risk of losing a titan, and if we did lose a couple it wouldn't be the end of the world. The groups with a couple of titans they use to get about though, they would be completely crippled.

I think you need to consider what impact it is you are trying to achieve with this change and see if that impact is achievable in any other way.


There are two goals of this proposal:
1) To get Titans out of POS shields. (It is sad when a password has to be used to get a kill)
2) To make them more vulnerable as they project an entities forces.

Thanks for the feedback/discussion.



Your proposal limits titan bridges to the CFC, N3 and PL.

Is this intentional? Can you explain how it's good game design in any way?
Agatir Solenth
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-09-11 23:39:52 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:

Your proposal limits titan bridges to the CFC, N3 and PL.

Is this intentional? Can you explain how it's good game design in any way?


I didn't realize these were locations in game, nor were they they only alliances with titans...
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#15 - 2014-09-12 11:05:56 UTC
Agatir Solenth wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Your proposal limits titan bridges to the CFC, N3 and PL.

Is this intentional? Can you explain how it's good game design in any way?
I didn't realize these were locations in game, nor were they they only alliances with titans...
He means because with those restrictions titans would be far more at risk (since the second a titan is out of a shield everyone wants a piece) and the only people that could survive losing titans that much are the largest coalitions. a group with 1 titan could nto afford to put that titan at risk.

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Agatir Solenth
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-09-12 19:58:20 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
He means because with those restrictions titans would be far more at risk (since the second a titan is out of a shield everyone wants a piece) and the only people that could survive losing titans that much are the largest coalitions. a group with 1 titan could nto afford to put that titan at risk.


I would say that it would encourage individuals/groups away from ships that they can't afford to lose, while requiring those that can to put them at risk.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2014-09-12 21:07:37 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Agatir Solenth wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Your proposal limits titan bridges to the CFC, N3 and PL.

Is this intentional? Can you explain how it's good game design in any way?
I didn't realize these were locations in game, nor were they they only alliances with titans...
He means because with those restrictions titans would be far more at risk (since the second a titan is out of a shield everyone wants a piece) and the only people that could survive losing titans that much are the largest coalitions. a group with 1 titan could nto afford to put that titan at risk.



Exactly this. While at the moment small groups can and do use titan bridges to hurt CFC fleets, they would not be able to do so after a change like this without losing the ship. Not something a group with only one or two titans can afford to do.

And you seem to think this is a good thing. Why is that?