Wormholes

Also - C4s need more sites, better spawn, and someone has to re-do them. Its overwhelmingly silly to have some DAT or REL spawn up to 200 away from you.

By far, only really doable site is Barracks. Rest is just to do when there is nothing else or if theres magnetar.

Ok here is an idea, there is clearly a reluctance on CCPs part to provide increased income when the main beneficiary would be providing those characters with multiple alts an engorged income stream.

That makes sense after a fashion, but they always seem to forget to reward, active, engaged players in return.

So if they have sites, anywhere, that are designed around multiple player cooperation, why not introduce the following.

When increasing income to encourage activity, place the increased income drop, in rats that require an active players focused attention on the screen, where the rats spawns or warps in and has to be actively chased and the rat attempts to avoid the player. This should naturally be an appropriate ship for the site and quite manageable for a single player whilst operating in a group.

This rewards the group which have some players focusing on these active spawns while his colleagues continue with the main spawn. This should engage that single player for a little, while not being a practical option for multiboxers. We are NOT talking burner class difficuilty! Because you are taking an active player away from the main site running when engaging this rat.

Note this does not degrade current operations in any way, but requires active players to gain the additional rewards.
Note2 this does not include luck in any manner, spawns are part of main site design.

Hey corbexx how is that wormhole class income list coming along?

P.S. Add a single carrier only escalation wave to c4's maybe?

Lot of ppl rat these sites with T3's I think, and mini-escalating with T3's would help close the production/destruction loop for these ships and raise demand for them. Virtuous circle stuff. Keep in mind this would more than likely increase supply of T3 salvage so it would be better to have T3 ships put at risk for this so more of them get blown up. Lore might benefit because "sleepers get pissed off seeing their own technology used against them", etc.

aye as I said its literally a concept now. Not figured out any of the issues. I'd need to get alot of info from ccp like what ships are used most in each class etc what would need to be used to escalate what the escalation would be. etc

I know ppl like to talk their own book, so I'll take this post with a grain of salt. Having said that, I don't really know if there's a "perfect" way to give lower class wormholes an income buff. I just know that it needs to be done to incentivize more players to take the risk of running wormhole sites and create a PvE/PvP "food chain" (content) in lower class holes. I suppose the alternatives are to nerf incursions, nullsec and maybe FW (lol not gonna happen), or to just let lower class holes remain basically a wasteland. New content would have unpredictable effects and could itself embody an income buff I suppose, but not knowing what the content is or if any is forthcoming, there's nothing really to say on it. In any case, I don't see the alternatives as viable so here we are.

I really doubt that a lower class income buff is going to threaten the competitive advantages of higher class holes and cap escalations there. The latter is already the highest gross isk/hr in the game (says Fozzie). Narrowing it somewhat will still leave a reasonable gap (and there should be a reasonable gap).

Escalation farming on a minimalistic but very effective way goes up to 1.5b/hour using 4 toons while having 1 dread in siege only.
^^ I said that before, but got deleted I believe?

I just chatted to a guy who is running several c5 holes with his friends that way to fund the cap/supers needed in null.
I believe, that senario is not that uncomon. Anyway, I'm not here to complain about what people are doing with their isk.

Increasing the blue loot would outrage that imballance in a proportional way.

In comparison, I could do about 500m/hour with 3 toons in a c4(frontier barracks) before hyperion while keeping the environment pretty safe. But I had to roll and go into the static for that of course which pushes down isk/hour alot.
I was able to fear out many other inhabitants with 3 BS and even ran their sites while they sat in their POS watching/try ninja looting. Hell of a fun had..
With all those wormholes opening in c4 now there's no sense in farming that even if you increase the outcome.
We already read in another thread about no/low site spawns which I suspect as an indicator for that behavior.

But yeah, increase blue loot. You might guess where I have my alts scouting around right now...
I'm still considering this step though, because I don't think I will have any low scale pvp fun in that systems.

Just to say this as it always comes up here:
I did incursions. I don't like - bad isk in comparison to wh space - still. But more important, it's so ******* boring!

I don't know what other people are going to do(some seem to know though). I can just give you my cents.
If CCP is not able to create a ballanced environment and is keeping gaps open, where is the challange to play this game?

With one dread? I'm guessing your going to need around 10 siege cycles which sounds like the worst! ...but if people want/can do that, it's a good thing. You are taking a massive risk soloing sites like that and you deserve the reward.

On average, what is the value of 1 fully escalated C5 site?



Please elaborate. How does closing the gap increase the challenge?

Ok well I want more content too lol, I just don't know if CCP will give it to us cuz our community is pretty small. I was thinking of an income buff as something quick and easy to help boost our numbers, and therefore our influence and that would increase the likelihood of getting more content. Mini-escalations might be too complicated programming-wise to get off the ground. But something as simple as a salvage table rebalance pass and a reasonable buff to blue loot could also work well.

I get that you can do PI in lower-end holes like C1's and C2's, but this is also about having a variety of isk-making activities available that make sense to do from risk/reward perspective. Just doing PI all the time is face-melting boring. Its also about getting more ships outside the POS shield and put at risk besides cheap Epithals.

Lol ok corby, I don't want to turn this into a nerf cap escalation thread anymore than you do. I'm talking my book in this thread so y'all certainly can do the same. I'm just happy lower class holes are finally getting some attention. You guys up there in 5 and 6 land running the larger entities are only helping yourselves too since I know a healthy population im lower class holes brings you more targets as well as recruiting opportunities.