Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The logic of 'close hisec incursions and folks can run them in low/null' falls apart when you look to see what happens when hisec incusions are closed due to swift ending of mom sites.

Do the incursioneers all flock to low?

nope

btw Imma, your sig makes me giggle because Code Always Wins is . . . .well AT XII

I agree that the kundallini spawn mechanic can stand a looking at and I have spoken to CCP about it already and have more to say next week at the summit.

For those of you thinking that this is a kneejerk reaction to the slap fight happening right now between ISN and TVP, wrong. This idea and request came to me long before the latest p*ssing match started.

I endorse incursions as working for isk . . . earning it. There was risk but the communities worked hard to minimize it over time and now they reap the benefits by working. I don't know of any afk mechanic in incursions. Can null say the same about their income streams? Do they include and involve active play?

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Big +1 - Really appreciate how you have been helping out in this. This is nothing do with the current drama, it's been an ongoing concern for a long time, and gives any one group the power to ruin it for everyone without any real consequences. It also specifically hurts newer players who don't have the financial wherewithal to handle a sustained loss of income. I would thing some tweaks to the spawn mechanic would reinforce what CCP has already done (by lowering respawn times) and ensure that there will be incursions available for fleets to run, which happens to be some of the most enjoyable and cooperative PvE in Eve.

Mompoppers from TVP - keep popping moms!

Personally I think that lowsec and nullsec incursions are a whole different topic. The risks of putting out a battleship fleet in low or uncontrolled null are huge, and that's why we don't see very much activity there. Check the current incursion status - no one is doing the 2 null incursions, and the lowsec incursion is very slowly seeing influence drop.

Which has no affect on highsec incursions, where there are hundreds of capsuleers willing to team up and run them, but lack of available incursions is creating frustration, and deterring new players from trying them out. I think that not having the mothership spawn until withdraw would basically singlehandedly solve this issue, and effectuate CCP's desire to have more players experiencing the exciting PvE incursion content.

Progress bar is out of whack it should go slower but this was pointed out ages ago and nothing was done to my knowledge I even think it was made so because ppl complained they cannot gring it down.

Lack of risk and proliferation of is boxers and blatant farmig is directly corelated with poor state of ai that never changes as well as it was what CCP wanted in first place Farmville, otherwise you couldnt just roll in and warp to money every few minutes,affected systems would BE incursion not warp to beacons like now.

Lastly why would

Person 1: hey I drop somethin give back

Person 2: no

Person 1: waaaah this is not how wow works il emo rage.....

Translate in CCP problem? It doesn't.

Veers doesn't like player freedom.






Only because no players step up to provide those consequences. Stop being lazy and asking for CCP to fix all your "problems."




In this episode of "Veers Belvar has no idea what he's talking about"

Exercise for the reader: Incursions Cynojam the systems they're active in. HotDrops require a cyno. Cynos (do)/(do not) work in cynojammed systems. Circle the option that makes the sentence true.

A couple from Veers Belvar.

"Incursions are the only real PvE content that requires social cooperation and the use of fleets."
You lead a sheltered life here in EVE Land if you believe this.
We run level 2 and 3 missions with fleets that contain 4-5 to as many as 15-20 players and we have a lot of fun doing them. Along the way the new players in the group learn fleet procedures, fleet communications and a lot of other parts of this game in a fun and engaging way.

For an alternative way to enjoy this game try engaging the new player community, reach out to them and take them under your wing as they say and help them. It takes you back in time and helps you to remember those days of wonder and joy when you first started into this game. You can add to that the good feeling at the end of the day because you actually help someone else take steps in this game, to learn and expand their horizons instead of adding to your own wallet total. But then helping others is a selfless act and it often reduces you wallet balance instead making it larger. But then there are somethings in this life and in this game that you simply cannot put a price tag on no matter what the form of currency you might use.


"Well, I'm in favor of anything to increase new player participation in incursions."
And your suggestion on delaying the final death blow to an Incursion will not accomplish this.
Currently the cost in skill points and ISK eliminates a very large group of players that might find Incursions an enjoyable in game experience. Reducing the difficulty of the Incursions would reduce the skill points and ISK requirements and that would open Incursions to a large group of payers that are currently excluded.

I can also tell you from my personal experiences and those of many of my R/L friends that the toxic and exclusionary attitudes that seem to prevail in the Incursion community do not help in your quest to include more players.

Taking this back to the question at hand I stand by my original statements.
If another group of Incursion players you are having a lovers quarrel with ends the Incursions early suck it up and move on, or WD them and settle your differences that way. Or here is an alternative, instead of running to CCP how about you open a dialog with that group and negotiate a settlement.
If the people that call an area of space home get fed up with your ISK farming activities and end the Incursion early, or gather together and pay a group of players to end it early, again tough, suck it up and move on.

Why change game over this, solution is simple.

Doesn't matter who is doing mom popping, simply don't join MOM fleets before withdrawal, problem solved

All the hard work that Incursion FCs do does not justify changing mechanics to prevent someone from knocking over your ISK-farming sandcastles.

There's no good reason why Incursioners should be protected from emergent behavior, even if that emergent behavior is just someone being a jerk because they can.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over my covert cyno activating.