Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Good thoughts as well. I don't know why they need to be "bridge classes" . There is a lot more Frigs, cruisers, and BS's per race.

Because some ship roles work best with certain classes and do no work at all on others. And the reason for this is because certain classes have inherent strengths and weaknesses that persist through the different ship types.

For example:
Interceptors are made for "interception" of things... which means that frigates would be the logical choice for such a role (because almost all frigates are inherently fast).
A cruiser-class interceptor would not work well because, even at their fastest, a nano-cruiser isn't going to top more than half to two-thirds of the speed of a speed-fit frigate. If such ships could reach those speeds, then you would have to drastically cut down tank, gank, or utility... otherwise such a ship would obsolete its smaller variant.

Instead we get Heavy Interdictors... which does largely the same thing except instead of running things down it acts as a sort of "spider-web."


With "assault ships"... bear in mind that while Assault Frigates, HACs, and Marauders are all DPS slingers... they all do it in radically different ways.
AFs strength is to be as mobile as possible. It can pump out a fair bit of damage but it still is, at the end of the day, still a frigate and can easily be killed. Marauders completely give up that mobility in exchange for pure repping power (which, as many have pointed out, doesn't work well in PvP because mobility is more important than self-repping power). HACs sit inbetween the two being both tanky, but mobile at the same time.

Now... Interdictors and Command ships both fall into the "assault ship" category as they can put out a fair bit of damage if they give up their primary specialty.
However... they exist in a sort of purgatory where they can never be as usefully mobile as an Assault Frigate, nor as tanky as a Marauder, or have the best blend of the two in the HAC.
DICs and CSs are both too easy to blob with faster ships, too slow to catch anything that doesn't want to fight them, or just can't tank as much as the class above or below them** in a way that is meaningful.
In a way... these ships are prime examples of how certain ship categories cannot exist across all ship types.



**A DIC basically has a slightly higher than average destroyer tank... which isn't that good (we are talking around 10-12k). A Command ship has a much higher on-paper tank than a HAC, but it takes more applied damage by virtue of its size (which is the HAC's strength).




Going on the root of the idea though...

Why is it so important that a newbie be able to get into a bigger ship?
I can say from experience that I tried to rush into bigger ships "because they were cool" and quickly regretted it. Yeah, there is an Ewar cruiser... but the frigate is MUCH cheaper to replace when it dies... and it doesn't die as often as a cruiser (because it's faster!!)

And Fozzie will then have to bring balance to the force again.

This.

And I know the other 3 races look with envy sometimes at scorpion/widow....grass is not that green.

I have flown scorpions. It helps if you have some small sense of in game suicidal tendencies. As whatever you do not get jams on is putting you very high on the list of things to kill. Mix this with lack of tank, slow as hell (falcons you can at least try to move around somewhat fast) and you are generally surprised if you make it home.

Smartbombs are fine as is. Here we enter some slippery slopes of balance. I'd wager there be some eyes to popping the new "uber" drones of the say gurista faster. That smarty would quickly approach deadlier frigate popping. In a cheap and sleazy way. Not digging that.

But tbh...besides the legit use in firewall, it be the cheesier uses of say disco ball camping that just has me not have a high opinion of smart bomb use. Not an idealistic honorable player (I know eve ain't fair lol)...but lets put some effort into the kill. Even an "always hit" missile user puts some sp's into support skills to bang out a few points more of damage.

There is no reason they HAVE to be for hunting frigs as a primary role???

You could say it isn't fair that the people that have been playing 5-6 year get the good stuff. We pay just as much as you.

Secondly it is a question. Why do they only need to have that role? Stop being so narrow minded.

You're right Brigadine let's get rid of skilling all together it's unfair that anyone would have to spend time to accomplish anything and we should turn this MMO into a single player experience.


Also we should add a ship to the game that lets me use a real doomsday and when i activate it it destroys all ships and stations in the system and turns all non-gas planets into barren ones now that would be cool

If CCP isn't capable of balancing stuff they create then this game needs to be shut down now. That is part of being a game "designer" you got to be able to "design" a game to be balanced. If you cant "design" then you have no business making video games much less MMO's.

I "rushed" (can you call taking 2 months rushing?) into a battleship because I wanted the good rewards from L4's. I then went back and trained more frigate stuff because I find them more fun to fly.

We have given an alternative don't add new classes that aren't needed