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Earn up to 20B/month by hunting Evil in Branch

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P'tank
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2014-09-09 05:06:03 UTC
I'm all in for pew pew without the need to deploy half across the map to find a few decent fights. So I beg you all, please reinforce our pos's, target our miners and ratters and bring hell on our isk printing home.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-09-09 05:57:51 UTC
P'tank wrote:
I'm all in for pew pew without the need to deploy half across the map to find a few decent fights. So I beg you all, please reinforce our pos's, target our miners and ratters and bring hell on our isk printing home.


I'm starting to really like this Gevlon guy. Who would have thought that he would become the mascot for anti-boredom in the CFC. I for one am appreciative of this free service that he has provided to the CFC as a whole.

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Raiz Nhell
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-09-09 06:05:17 UTC
Who's got the popcorn? Pass it round...

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Christian Lionbate
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-09-09 06:12:44 UTC
Graph or it never happened.
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#45 - 2014-09-09 06:19:35 UTC
Christian Lionbate wrote:
Graph or it never happened.

Gladly!
Here is the ratting graph of Deklein during the test run of the project. I paid MoA to have a ratter-hunting spree to see if it is possible to sabotage ratting.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2014-09-09 06:25:30 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
So Branch is a perfect place for a coordinated strike against the CFC:

an open bounty is not coordinated. at all
Quote:
The kills are de-whored. If your corp scored 0.01% damage on a 100B titan, you get bounty after 10M kills, not 100B.

you've been told why this is a stupid way of attributing damage before
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2014-09-09 06:56:42 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Christian Lionbate wrote:
Graph or it never happened.

Gladly!
Here is the ratting graph of Deklein during the test run of the project. I paid MoA to have a ratter-hunting spree to see if it is possible to sabotage ratting.


Did you compensate for the amount of people on deployment? I'd hate for something like that to get in the way of this Goonswarm morale project.

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PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-09-09 07:17:28 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Benny Ohu wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

The kills are de-whored. If your corp scored 0.01% damage on a 100B titan, you get bounty after 10M kills, not 100B.

you've been told why this is a stupid way of attributing damage before

I'm actually curious as to why this is the case. Could you elaborate?

Even on an alliance level, if you look at the efficiency of individual corps, it's always something ridiculously high because the corps get all of the credit for everything the alliance kills (assuming they have at least 1 guy participating) while only being "deducted" for their own corp losses. Thus, even the shittiest member corp in...say... CVA will always have a very good efficiency on the corp level, even if their alliance is getting farmed by PL. This becomes doubly true in coalition-level fights.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#49 - 2014-09-09 07:25:52 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

The kills are de-whored. If your corp scored 0.01% damage on a 100B titan, you get bounty after 10M kills, not 100B.

you've been told why this is a stupid way of attributing damage before

I'm actually curious as to why this is the case. Could you elaborate?

Even on an alliance level, if you look at the efficiency of individual corps, it's always something ridiculously high because the corps get all of the credit for everything the alliance kills (assuming they have at least 1 guy participating) while only being "deducted" for their own corp losses. Thus, even the shittiest member corp in...say... CVA will always have a very good efficiency on the corp level, even if their alliance is getting farmed by PL. This becomes doubly true in coalition-level fights.


If a sole Buzzard tackles a Dread & holds it for 5 minutes while reinforcements arrive, that kill happened solely because that one guy in the Buzzard tackled the Dread, but he's being given zero credit for the kill because he did no damage.

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Damon Messer
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2014-09-09 07:26:14 UTC
Gevlon, i've thought of a plan to finally end the evil!
For the sake of success, I cannot divulge more information at this time, but I need some financial support. Send me 10b isk so I can carry out this plan!
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#51 - 2014-09-09 07:27:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

The kills are de-whored. If your corp scored 0.01% damage on a 100B titan, you get bounty after 10M kills, not 100B.

you've been told why this is a stupid way of attributing damage before

I'm actually curious as to why this is the case. Could you elaborate?

Even on an alliance level, if you look at the efficiency of individual corps, it's always something ridiculously high because the corps get all of the credit for everything the alliance kills (assuming they have at least 1 guy participating) while only being "deducted" for their own corp losses. Thus, even the shittiest member corp in...say... CVA will always have a very good efficiency on the corp level, even if their alliance is getting farmed by PL. This becomes doubly true in coalition-level fights.
There's loads of reasons, like for example podded people dropping off of kills after a while even if they were critical to the fight. Mainly though it's support. Support roles don't do damage, but whole kills may not have even happened if the support roles weren't there. You won't kills titans without tackling them for example. Someone may be throwing out damage like a beast in a battle, but again, if there wasn't logi holding him up he might be dust in a couple of minutes.

The main thing to take away is that damage alone is not a true reflection of the battle, and far more than that contributes to a kill, so basing everything off of damage is ignoring all but a single factor.

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PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#52 - 2014-09-09 07:44:17 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Mallak Azaria wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

The kills are de-whored. If your corp scored 0.01% damage on a 100B titan, you get bounty after 10M kills, not 100B.

you've been told why this is a stupid way of attributing damage before

I'm actually curious as to why this is the case. Could you elaborate?

Even on an alliance level, if you look at the efficiency of individual corps, it's always something ridiculously high because the corps get all of the credit for everything the alliance kills (assuming they have at least 1 guy participating) while only being "deducted" for their own corp losses. Thus, even the shittiest member corp in...say... CVA will always have a very good efficiency on the corp level, even if their alliance is getting farmed by PL. This becomes doubly true in coalition-level fights.


If a sole Buzzard tackles a Dread & holds it for 5 minutes while reinforcements arrive, that kill happened solely because that one guy in the Buzzard tackled the Dread, but he's being given zero credit for the kill because he did no damage.

Yeah, but that's the rare exception rather then the rule.

Seems to me that 99% of the time the situation would be exactly as I described it, but vOv.
Lucas Kell wrote:

The main thing to take away is that damage alone is not a true reflection of the battle, and far more than that contributes to a kill, so basing everything off of damage is ignoring all but a single factor.

Well yeah, all kb stats are flawed to a degree. The question is whether "de-whored" stats are more flawed than "whored" stats. So far, I'm not convinced but w/e.
xPredat0rz
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#53 - 2014-09-09 08:03:52 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Christian Lionbate wrote:
Graph or it never happened.

Gladly!
Here is the ratting graph of Deklein during the test run of the project. I paid MoA to have a ratter-hunting spree to see if it is possible to sabotage ratting.


Did you compensate for the amount of people on deployment? I'd hate for something like that to get in the way of this Goonswarm morale project.




You mean how goons basically lived in delve from 9 August to 7 September?


Or the fact the only reason our ratting numbers are higher is the fact we were deployed in Deklein and our members could burn home to rat as long as they made the strat ops?
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#54 - 2014-09-09 08:17:37 UTC
Yes, de-whoring is unfair to support-only pilots, but we are comparing corps here. And in my monthly reports: alliances.

Or are you claiming that some corps only fly tackle, logi and Ewar, while others only fly damage dealers?

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P'tank
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2014-09-09 08:35:51 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
P'tank wrote:
I'm all in for pew pew without the need to deploy half across the map to find a few decent fights. So I beg you all, please reinforce our pos's, target our miners and ratters and bring hell on our isk printing home.


I'm starting to really like this Gevlon guy. Who would have thought that he would become the mascot for anti-boredom in the CFC. I for one am appreciative of this free service that he has provided to the CFC as a whole.


Since Branch is one of the most rewarding regions in the universe, we are all rich as ****. Therefore I'm putting an extra spare pvp carrier, a shield and armor triage carrier and a dread to the cause. Nicely parked in Branch. That's 10bil I'm putting on this, so you'd better bring it.

How long has it actually been since someone successfully captured a station system in one of the CFC home regions? I'm starting to consider actually paying our enemies to attack us ... I guess being hostile to the CFC must be pretty scary.
Nioda
Dutch Legions
Solyaris Chtonium
#56 - 2014-09-09 09:29:44 UTC
intel channel still isnt blinking. hurry please
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2014-09-09 09:40:38 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Or are you claiming that some corps only fly tackle, logi and Ewar, while others only fly damage dealers?


It depends on the situation, but they do exist.

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Nadezda Morozovovna
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2014-09-09 10:04:06 UTC
If you send me 10b, ill selfdestruct all my isktars!
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#59 - 2014-09-09 10:35:56 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Well yeah, all kb stats are flawed to a degree. The question is whether "de-whored" stats are more flawed than "whored" stats. So far, I'm not convinced but w/e.
Well that depends how you look at it. Since he's looking at how much a given corporation contributed to a kill, either way the killboard wont tell the whole story, but a dewhored kill will show it even less.

Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Or are you claiming that some corps only fly tackle, logi and Ewar, while others only fly damage dealers?
A corp may only have one or two people in a given battle, so yes, it's very possible to only have logi for example. That's why we use participation links which log what ship you are in and reward for support roles as well as DPS roles.

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Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#60 - 2014-09-09 12:14:26 UTC
/facepalms

Welp.

Here we go again.

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