Crime & Punishment

No thats only a wet dream of yours.
Clap your heals 3 times, maybe it comes true!
But you would have come to lowsec first.


But since you are hipocritic carebears and only wannabe toughguys it will never happen.

btw:
everone knows:
the cake is a lie!

listen to that! and the science gets done!
"i am not even angry"

Nope!
Your just paranoid!
lol


You want me gone ,eh?

hmm?
You wanted to ignore me!

Hmm, *you* sound upset!
ROFL

10/10

The purpose of the permit is not understood by anyone who dies in posession of it.

I have removed a rule breaking post.

The Rules:
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.

You assume we are some sort of separate "Role Playing" group, and somehow are doing something different in regards to that then anyone else. Everyone who logs into EVE is role playing. You are taking control over a make believe character who is immortal and controls a number of starships with faster then light engines. Everyone "role plays".

As for the "cult" thing - if you don't get it, if you can't have fun with player created content, there's really nothing anyone here can do or say to help you. You can complain about it loudly on the fourms, however. The simple reality is: we bring more life and fun to the fine and time-honored art of high-sec suicide ganking then most. We're not doing anything new - and our tactics and techniques were founded in the techniques of those who came before us. The only real difference is that our targets are going to get a lot more then "LOL YOU GOT REKT LEARN TO FIT NOOB" from us - they are going to get guidence, advice, help - assuming they want it and pass the basic litmus test of being polite.



Sorry, but I am going to have to put on my fedora of more experience with these things then you now.

In the first half of this year, I have put down about 1100 mining ships, and I have spoken with a fairly large amount of these players. Of them, I can confirm that one or two wers so angry they claimed to have "quit the game" - but there's no way to even prove that, even if they biomass - there's no way of knowing if they actually unsubbed. But let's face it - if you quit eve over losing a ship then it probably was not the game for you in the first place. Also, I don't know a single one who responded by running a ISbox fleet lol :P

Almost every single one of them say nothing, learn to watch for me and my known scouts to be in the area, tank harder, and pay a bit more attention to what is going on. The next time I manage to catch them, it's a lot tougher to drop them, and it's beyond rare that they will allow me to ever shoot them a third time. High-sec suicide ganks are not rocket science, and it's easy to protect yourself with a little common sense.

A small amount of them also purchase a New Order permit after the gank. These players get the benefit of the doubt from our fleets after this point, and they tend to be of a higher caliber then most players.

A tiny group (less then 30!) of everyone I have ever ganked, well, they go full on insane. They send me RL death threats, and in game communications full of some of the most vile stuff you could ever imagine. They rage about honor, bushido, how unfair the game is, etc etc etc. I report the truly special ones to CCP for EULA violations, and forward the good ones to http://minerbumping.com so others may enjoy the story.

There's another group of players you have probably not thought about, and I can introduce you to at least a dozen of them - players I have ganked who have ended up joining the New Order, flying with me, and flat out thanking me for showing them that EVE could actually be fun and they could do something other then shoot rocks or red mission rat things.

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You can think what you want, of course. You are wrong, but I respect your right to hold whatever belief you want. As for paying me, that's fine - those who wish to fly with a New Order permit can, those who don't want do are not forced to. Agents of the New Order are not personally offended when we find a non-permit holding miner - you simply are at a much higher risk of being bumped or fired on.

As for your idea about making a change and working in bigger groups and targeting the Orcas of multibox fleets... wow :) You have done no homework on this subject at all and are just throwing third hand information out there. Personally, I am responsible for FCing the death of over 60 Orca's, which takes at least eight of us (usually more like 12) working together. Most of these Orca's were either totally AFK sitting at a station somewhere providing boosts, or totally AFK in some belt providing boost and being used as a space garbage bin. We have agents who do nothing *BUT* shoot haulers.

I urge you to further educate yourself on this topic before you reply. Here's a handy link for you, the next time you are even considering the use of any of these memes:

"The CODE only kills miners!"
"The CODE only kills things that can't fight back!"
"The CODE never goes to Low/Null/WH space!"

http://code.220mm.org/?a=alliance_detail&all_ext_id=99002775

Of course I can have fun with player created content, I do so daily, but I don't see what's fun about ganking noobs, cutting down on the botters competition, then writing a 3 thousand page essay about how it's all done to save the game from bots.

A simple question was asked by the OP, I answered it. You've now become enormously defensive because you want people to believe you are an honourable bunch, even though it's code members that have pointed out in no uncertain terms that having a permit is irrelevant to survival.

OK, let's see a list of the 1100 people alongside exactly what they did and what they are doing now following being ganked by you.

LOL. I have zero risk of code ever doing anything to even remotely affect me.

60 whole orcas? You are my hero, honest.


I've not used any of those. I've stated and will state again: Permits are irrelevant as code members consider them invalid if you are able to be ganked, thus the only way for them to be "valid" is to be ungankable, at which point code can't do anything anyway. Code claim to be against botters and yet their methods do in fact support botters and multiboxers by eliminating the smaller competition.

Those things I stand by.

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of Code, they may want to send one or two of their "associates" off to do some retraining...

https://zkillboard.com/character/92655600/page/1/

lol!

We are a very open to all sort of alliance - and the corp you are looking at there, "New Order Logistics" has some rather fine players in it. It also has some who still have a lot to learn. They serve as a sort of "feeder corp" for other groups to pull from. Pretty common stuff :)

And come on, what fun is an alliance without a few special snowflakes :)

Exactly, so when you said: "By mining with a tanked ship - you are following the CODE." you were wrong, since a tanked ship is not following the code if AFK or part of an excessive fleet.

So no, I didn't fail at it, not even remotely. Perhaps you failed to read the part of the post you were responding to where it stated that mining should be done AFK in a tanked ship.

No thanks. And I'm not being obtuse. At no point did I say the players scream and rage over it at all. All I stated is that the mining that doesn't work is solo mining in crappy ships, tanked ships have a lower yield, and a mass of AFK tanked ships is victorious. So some people looking for a way to mine and make their free battleships will see that the best solution is to sit multiple tanked ships AFK for long periods of time. Those who decide to instead follow the code will mine less and less efficiently. Therefore the result of you enforcing the code is that there are more AFK miners, more bots, more multiboxers and less competition from code compliant miners. If you wanted to stop botters you would target botters.

Not even remotely. I don't think you make people quit EVE and I don't GRR you at all. You, your code and your permits are irrelevant. The OP is asking if there's a point in buying one, and the answer is no.

I am well aware that you attempt to gank a few, but they are hardly your prime targets and the amount you kill is inconsequential. Considering you've supposedly got trillions of isk in donations to the code, I'd expect to see more of an effort if your true goal was to get rid of botters and multiboxers.

And as for me killing them, I've been in fleet ganking orcas many times in the ice interdictions, but that's beside the point, since I'm not the one screeching about how my entire goal in EVE is to rid the universe of bot aspirant behaviour.