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Server Issues During ATXII Day 7

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Elsa Hayes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#61 - 2014-09-08 13:45:48 UTC
So there were issues with the server, these issues applied to both teams, NO team got an advantage out of it. both were equally screwed. CCP let it run its course and said well, tough luck but we take it as it is, sounds like fair game to me.

Sure everything could have been brought to an halt, ships already destroyed replaced/reimbursed new ships transported into system, then people would complain :"But now they know our setups wha wha wha"! TBH Tears and crying could not be avoided at this point anyways. This sounds to me like race drivers crying that it started to rain during their qualifying run and thus their lap times were slower and thus some drivers even damaged their car, well bad things can happen.

Does the FIA break up every qualifying for a Formula 1 Grand Prix when it suddenly starts to rain or do drivers have to cope with it? There is a hell lot more money and effort involved there than it is here and even they do not call off the qualifying because some people now have to drive in the rain giving them a significant disadvantage, they might call it off if the rain is too sever though.

Was the game unplayable? No I don´t think so. So CCP point of view is absolutely ok. It sucks for the teams involved.

If only one side had been affected I´d would concur, a rematch was necessary but under these circumstances it falls under having bad luck, such is life and first and foremost SUCH IS EVE.

"If only I had overheated my MWD 2 secs longer my plex hauler with 700 months worth of plex would have made it to the gate....la la la",. Honestly HTFU.

BUT in light of CCP being the culprit for the disturbance here Afterlife and Shadow Cartel should be granted free entry to next years tournament just as a gesture of not providing the expected gaming environment.
W0wbagger
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#62 - 2014-09-08 15:01:36 UTC
Did you really just compare an expected and catered for condition in F1 (tyres, practice, forecasts) to the game world unexpectedly and unpredictably working incorrectly? A more accurate comparison would be something like gravity turning off at Monza :)

Even more amusingly, your entire point is moot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_red-flagged_Formula_One_races
Fair few red flags due to rain there lol
Ziraili Onzo
Yggdrasil Woodchoppers
#63 - 2014-09-08 15:47:12 UTC
Its just sad that it came to this, and that yet another time CCP consciously decided to act unprofessional in a event that should have been the highlight of the year. None of the teams are to blame for this, that much is obvious, and then instead they instead try to push the blame over on them for something thats clearly their mistake alone. Once the Afterlife vs Exodus-match got started, then i understand theres no going back and rerun the previous match etc, but it was obvious to everyone watching that something was wrong long time before the winner was decleared, the announcers themself even said something seemed odd from km's being linked in local.

"You should have done exactly what we told you NOT to do, just so you could have discovered any potential mistake we might have made"

Give us a f'ing' break.. And to not even mention it on stream, but instead try to hide their mistake in a obscure thread to prevent another thread already started to grow into a embarrassing threadnought, i really do feel sorry for the people involved. CCP puts in so much effort in this yearly to make it a good PR event to promote their product, a ton of people put in so much good effort behind the scenes without even getting paid just to help their company.

At the end of the day the memory i will have from this year isnt my own participation (not in SC or Afterlife ofc), not the huge upsets with R0NIN beating HYDRA, the great run of TRI, or the new great champions of Camel. Instead its that yet another time CCP ****** up a great event and decided to act like a bunch of amateurs about it instead of a professional entertainment provider that should gain new customers instead of pushing existing away.
Rain Al'Thor
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2014-09-08 16:09:03 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0y1af7UoCM

I like the part where comments are disabled for this video...
Medamuncher
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2014-09-08 16:23:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Medamuncher
What I really liked was the part where we pay subscriptions to a company who expect us to tolerate their continuously substandard responses to issues. Your system screwed up, it is CCP who have let both teams down - I understand that it would not be fair to Afterlife to expect a rematch at the late point where you bothered to announce this - however, can I suggest that teams are expected to bring a superfluous ship into PE1 equipped with Remote Shield, Armour and Structure modules, all types of weapons and drones - just to "test" that all the modules are working properly? So then the teams could shoot each other to the point of exploding to "check" - then everybody could spend three hours waiting for the solo logi ship to repair them all pre-match....sounds like a really good solution? Roll

This isn't about who won or lost, at the end of the day, we wouldn't have wanted to beat Afterlife because of this issue either.

C'mon CCP - poor form, and the worst part is, you know it...

(On the flip side, sincere congrats to Camel Empire \o/)
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#66 - 2014-09-08 21:02:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Soldarius
Marcius Decimus wrote:
Class act Shadow Cartel. Hey CCP, learn a lesson from this.

You can still have class. Own up to your mistake, it was YOUR fault. Using some wormy little clause in a space "contract" to assign blame to the party who is aggrieved is pretty low and demonstrates very poor class.


tbh, it was more TEST's fault than anything. While looting the field one of the guys on our team tried to jettison cap boosters into a jet can as his cap booster was reloading so that he could loot abandoned drones. This series of events led to his ship getting stuck in PE1.

CCP did everything they could to fix the problem. Trust me. The attempts and measures taken by CCP to try and resolve the issue were nothing short of pure voodoo magic. (DEV hax ftw.) Wish we could post the chat logs.

I don't think there was anything any one could have done to learn of the issue before hand. Shooting your team mates while sitting on the beacon before warp-in is not what I would call a good idea, especially when Crime Watch is misbehaving. (inb4 CONCORD goes rogue and blaps all the matches.(omg that would have been hilarious.))

So if you want someone to blame, blame TEST. We broke day 7. Sowwy.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Slicr
#67 - 2014-09-09 01:15:58 UTC
Elsa Hayes wrote:
So there were issues with the server, these issues applied to both teams, NO team got an advantage out of it. both were equally screwed. CCP let it run its course and said well, tough luck but we take it as it is, sounds like fair game to me.

Sure everything could have been brought to an halt, ships already destroyed replaced/reimbursed new ships transported into system, then people would complain :"But now they know our setups wha wha wha"! TBH Tears and crying could not be avoided at this point anyways. This sounds to me like race drivers crying that it started to rain during their qualifying run and thus their lap times were slower and thus some drivers even damaged their car, well bad things can happen.

Does the FIA break up every qualifying for a Formula 1 Grand Prix when it suddenly starts to rain or do drivers have to cope with it? There is a hell lot more money and effort involved there than it is here and even they do not call off the qualifying because some people now have to drive in the rain giving them a significant disadvantage, they might call it off if the rain is too sever though.

Was the game unplayable? No I don´t think so. So CCP point of view is absolutely ok. It sucks for the teams involved.

If only one side had been affected I´d would concur, a rematch was necessary but under these circumstances it falls under having bad luck, such is life and first and foremost SUCH IS EVE.

"If only I had overheated my MWD 2 secs longer my plex hauler with 700 months worth of plex would have made it to the gate....la la la",. Honestly HTFU.

BUT in light of CCP being the culprit for the disturbance here Afterlife and Shadow Cartel should be granted free entry to next years tournament just as a gesture of not providing the expected gaming environment.


"both teams experienced identical issues with modules and drones needing to be manually activated instead of auto-cycling"

So I would agree with you and CCP if both teams had the same amount of modules and drones.
To say both teams had the same identical issues is correct but the more important part is did one team have more of the affected items then the other ?

Anybody can come up with an excuse for why something was done this way. We live in an age of excuses, lack of responsibility, and me me me attitudes. Doing the right thing should not be dependant on these attitude and the big one that I think CCP showed in this scenario - laziness.
I love how people say "We will get it right next time" - there is always an excuse that can be used.

I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.