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Goonswarm taking candy from babies via a legitimate looking website.
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Malikaye Trild
V0LTA
New Eden Alliance 99013733
#141 - 2011-12-10 17:00:02 UTC
Can't stop laughing
anyhow "I herby sentence goonswarm to 5years in prison for the scamming of virtual eve currency Also known as ISK"
I doubt i'll ever hear a judge say that
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#142 - 2011-12-10 18:39:44 UTC
Malikaye Trild wrote:
Can't stop laughing
anyhow "I herby sentence goonswarm to 5years in prison for the scamming of virtual eve currency Also known as ISK"
I doubt i'll ever hear a judge say that

I dont know isn't isk worth more than zimdollars were?
Justin Credulent
Luv You Long Time
#143 - 2011-12-10 23:03:41 UTC
Captain Nathaniel Butler wrote:


I find it helps to read the OP before commenting on itBlink


ahem:

DrunkenNinja wrote:

In the recruitment channel


yeah. your ego will stop getting bashed into the dirt when you stop taking "witty" potshots at me. thanks, kid.

Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships!
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
#144 - 2011-12-11 00:16:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Nathaniel Butler
Justin Credulent wrote:
Captain Nathaniel Butler wrote:


I find it helps to read the OP before commenting on itBlink


ahem:

DrunkenNinja wrote:

In the recruitment channel


yeah. your ego will stop getting bashed into the dirt when you stop taking "witty" potshots at me. thanks, kid.


And now for the full quote for those who are challenged by their reading skills (Justin)

DrunkenNinja wrote:

In the recruitment channel, type something like "Australian active pilot looking for pvp corp!" (etc) and you may well be approached by a Goon.... who will give you this link :P.


Meaning (Justin) that he advertised himself in the channel and a Goon convo'd him with a link. He then left the channel (going to the link D'uh) where the scam took place.

Which means that what I said

Captain Nathaniel Butler wrote:



The scam happened outside the recruitment channel.

I find it helps to read the OP before commenting on itBlink


Is right, and that you suck (both at reading and posting!) Twisted

Lady Spank for C&P moderator.
Justin Credulent
Luv You Long Time
#145 - 2011-12-11 02:46:26 UTC
^all that TL;DR post shows is how important it is for you win my approval

its illegal to use the recruitment channel to scam
which is...
exactly what that goon did
thanks
the ego-pain stops when you stop
its up to you
remember that

Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships!
Dranchela
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2011-12-11 05:56:07 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Not quite as fun as every E-2 fresh out of Navy boot camp trying to be a sealawyer.



Just had one of those check into my command here the other day. Should be fun.
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
#147 - 2011-12-11 10:44:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Nathaniel Butler
Justin Credulent wrote:
^all that TL;DR post shows is how important it is for you win my approval

its illegal to use the recruitment channel to scam
which is...
exactly what that goon did
thanks
the ego-pain stops when you stop
its up to you
remember that



So I'm now wondering why it is you are following me around these forums like a bad smell?

Did I make you look stupid somewhere?

Did my main pod you recently?

It just seems a little obsessive to me , even to the extent of completely ignoring the facts in this thread - after they've been spelt out to you quite clearly.

I am kinda flattered by all the attention you are giving me - but it is making you look stupid. However as that doesn't seem to worry you , then by all means carry on.









TL;DR

Show me on the doll where the bad man touched youEvil

Lady Spank for C&P moderator.
uwai223
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2011-12-11 12:17:39 UTC  |  Edited by: uwai223
WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE ALL SO MAD? CAN'T WE JUST GET ALONG?

XO XO XO HUGS AND KISSES DUDES

We are required by our constitution to let the voters think they have a choice. That's democracy!
Drem Aldent
Doomheim
#149 - 2011-12-11 13:43:48 UTC
Goonswarm in and of itself is bad, don't join them.
they sent in spais to my corp, wanted to go on a mining op. they took destroyers, and another member was in an iteron IV. I was in a brand new hulk. About 15 minutes later I was yellow boxed and popped.
Moral of the story, check API's before letting people into your corp, and don't let people who seem to have a bad employment history in.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#150 - 2011-12-11 13:52:37 UTC
Justin Credulent wrote:
^all that TL;DR post shows is how important it is for you win my approval

its illegal to use the recruitment channel to scam
which is...
exactly what that goon did
thanks
the ego-pain stops when you stop
its up to you
remember that


Prove that the goon found him through the recruitment channel and not local of whatever system he was in at the moment.
You can't? Oh...

That's why the ban on finding targets through the recruitment channel is absurd.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#151 - 2011-12-11 13:54:14 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Drem Aldent wrote:
Goonswarm in and of itself is bad, don't join them.
they sent in spais to my corp, wanted to go on a mining op. they took destroyers, and another member was in an iteron IV. I was in a brand new hulk. About 15 minutes later I was yellow boxed and popped.
Moral of the story, check API's before letting people into your corp, and don't let people who seem to have a bad employment history in.


Awoxers, not spies.

Spies listen in on voice comms during fleets to help the opposition, Awoxers shoot blues. Important distinction.


Also, you accepted an app without a corp history check, let alone an Api check? I'm pretty sure you deserve whatever's coming to you there.

Hurp, I pres accept butan without vetting? YYAY! AhA AhA AhA, I are gud recruiter

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Celery Man
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#152 - 2011-12-11 17:47:46 UTC
Drem Aldent wrote:
Goonswarm in and of itself is bad, don't join them.
they sent in spais to my corp, wanted to go on a mining op. they took destroyers, and another member was in an iteron IV. I was in a brand new hulk. About 15 minutes later I was yellow boxed and popped.
Moral of the story, check API's before letting people into your corp, and don't let people who seem to have a bad employment history in.


You ah... EVERYONE else checks API's before letting people join but you... no need to let us know that you don't know how to do it, or someone like the Goons might join you and... oh wait......
Red Sharq
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#153 - 2011-12-12 07:54:24 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:


The fact that any video game disagreement will get laughed out of court is beside the point.

Oral contracts do have the contractual force. Although, depending on jurisdiction their scope may be limited and it's pretty stupid to trust someone you don't know to uphold their end of an oral contract with no persistant method of recording the details of the contract.

So written or oral, a contract dealing with issues arising from the gameplay of a videogame will be laughed out of court, but it won't be because "OOooh, Nobody SIGNED anything"


Firstly, this is my favourite thread of the year.

Secondly, there seem to be a lot of misconceptions which could potentially disadvantage people later in life. The key issue being the requirements that must be satisfied to form a contract; while this may vary dependent on jurisdictions, the following generally hold true for the creation of a valid contract:-

1. All parties must have capacity to enter the contract.
2. An offer must be made.
3. Consideration must be exchanged.
4. The parties must be in mutual agreement.
5. The contract's object and purpose must be legal.
6. The form of the contract must meet the legal requirements.

Note that oral contracts are often considered legally binding, and the threshold is not always very high (under Scottish law, a promise may be legally binding, and thus enforceable by the Courts, while it is not under English law)

Based on the Goon website, the only real issues are at items 1. and 6.

Dependent on jurisdiction, capacity to contract at Item 1 normally excludes minors or the mentally impaired (insert Goon joke here). Dependent on the ages of the parties, there many not be a Contract.

For Item 6, it is dependent on jurisdictional requirements.

Providing the above 6 criteria are met, then the OP would be able to file civil (rather than criminal) proceeding under tort law. Such proceedings would probably require:-
1. Specific performance of the contract by the defaulting party (Goon); and
2. Damages

Separately, criminal proceedings could also result as a matter of 'public interest' by the Authorities having jurisdiction. However, this would be unlikely unless there is some pressing reason to set a precedent or establish case law.

Given the circumstances, the US "No Electronic Theft Act" (NET Act) appears to make for some scary reading.

Finally, if you're ever in Scotland, try to avoid making any promises! Blink

Please note that none of the above constitutes legal advice.
Tirestun
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#154 - 2012-02-02 19:19:28 UTC
Goons have always been quite gentlemanly. I don't see what the problem is.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#155 - 2012-02-02 19:22:01 UTC
Red Sharq wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


The fact that any video game disagreement will get laughed out of court is beside the point.

Oral contracts do have the contractual force. Although, depending on jurisdiction their scope may be limited and it's pretty stupid to trust someone you don't know to uphold their end of an oral contract with no persistant method of recording the details of the contract.

So written or oral, a contract dealing with issues arising from the gameplay of a videogame will be laughed out of court, but it won't be because "OOooh, Nobody SIGNED anything"


Firstly, this is my favourite thread of the year.

Secondly, there seem to be a lot of misconceptions which could potentially disadvantage people later in life. The key issue being the requirements that must be satisfied to form a contract; while this may vary dependent on jurisdictions, the following generally hold true for the creation of a valid contract:-

1. All parties must have capacity to enter the contract.
2. An offer must be made.
3. Consideration must be exchanged.
4. The parties must be in mutual agreement.
5. The contract's object and purpose must be legal.
6. The form of the contract must meet the legal requirements.

Note that oral contracts are often considered legally binding, and the threshold is not always very high (under Scottish law, a promise may be legally binding, and thus enforceable by the Courts, while it is not under English law)

Based on the Goon website, the only real issues are at items 1. and 6.

Dependent on jurisdiction, capacity to contract at Item 1 normally excludes minors or the mentally impaired (insert Goon joke here). Dependent on the ages of the parties, there many not be a Contract.

For Item 6, it is dependent on jurisdictional requirements.

Providing the above 6 criteria are met, then the OP would be able to file civil (rather than criminal) proceeding under tort law. Such proceedings would probably require:-
1. Specific performance of the contract by the defaulting party (Goon); and
2. Damages

Separately, criminal proceedings could also result as a matter of 'public interest' by the Authorities having jurisdiction. However, this would be unlikely unless there is some pressing reason to set a precedent or establish case law.

Given the circumstances, the US "No Electronic Theft Act" (NET Act) appears to make for some scary reading.

Finally, if you're ever in Scotland, try to avoid making any promises! Blink

Please note that none of the above constitutes legal advice.




That is an accurate and functionally complete description of how contracts work.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Dunbar Hulan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#156 - 2012-02-03 16:04:43 UTC
Dear Drunken Ninja,

Greetings from my country, Gallente. And by God's grace this is a warm embrace of a lifetime and mutually beneficial relationship between us, hence my writing you.

Dr. Dunbar Hulan is my name. Special Adviser on Ice Mining to the Gallente Head of State and presently, Chairman of the Contract Review Panel (C.R.P) appointed by the Gallente administration, with the mandate to re-evaluate, scrutinize, approve and recommend for payment all previously awarded and executed contracts for the Ice Mining Fund (I. M..F).I want to award you exclusive ice mining rights in Gallente.

You were introduced to me by a trusted contact in the Gallente Ministry of Foreign Trade Mission to act fast by helping me and my colleagues by transfering the sum of 25.5M ISK (Twenty Five Million, Five Hundred Thousand ISK to us. You must treat this letter with utmost confidentiality and trust. We cannot afford to toy with this rare opportunity of a lifetime. It may interest you to know that this is no Scam or fairy tale.
we urgently need your assistance to send this isk to us.


Dear brother, all modalities for the successful transfer of this fund including legal and administrative requirements in Gallente as well as that of Inter Faction Arbitration has been worked out. We hope to conclude this transaction within ten (10) days once you open communication with me to furnish me your willingness needed for easy transfer of the fund:
God willing brother, we can work out this transaction fast for all of us.

 ** Manchester United - Paul Scholes= Genius**
phantom blackstar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#157 - 2012-02-03 16:30:21 UTC
when you are looking for a new corp in the recruit channel, just add to your advert:
"I will not pay a deposit to join your corporation, and under no circumstances will I join goonswarm."
they will leave you alone.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#158 - 2012-02-03 16:39:52 UTC
BringerMC wrote:
Crias Taylor wrote:
Good thing I moved my isk assets into bitcoins. Good luck getting judgement money out of me.


No; if you were behind it they would seize all your assets including your bitcoins and throw you in jail. Conartists and Scammers get more jail time than pedophiles; weird but true.



Obvious question, but how would you know Question

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Msgerbs
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2012-02-04 00:07:46 UTC
Hero Tackler wrote:
FBI arrests people for scamming because isk has RL value

No, they don't, and it doesn't. First of all the internet is not the FBI's kingdom, as much as the government would like you to think. Second of all, you don't own your isk, period. It's CCP's property, it has no RL value, accept it.
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#160 - 2012-02-04 01:27:29 UTC
mah ****