Wormholes

Depends.

(1+6-2)x2=10
1+6-(2x2)=3
1+((6-2)x2)=9

A side note can also be that x denote a unknown and not multiplication.

1+6-2*x*2=2
If so then:
x=4/5

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yes I can certainly ask that.

Because it is his job.

Well think about it, Incursions have a stupidly (and recently buffed -wtf-) high income and there is nowhere near the risk in running them. If incursions were completely neutered as an income source at this point, you'd have a ton of players leaving the game, so unfortunately this is not an option. To that end, you could say that the system was flawed from the start and now the meta for earning isk in incursion vs. wormhole space is so ingrained the problem can't be fixed without slashing a good chunk of the player community. I will point out again that the only way wormhole space will be competitive again is if the income from that space is increased again through blue loot being buffed.

This could stymie and even reverse the hemorraging of players from w space, but only if the Hyperion changes are rolled back. Simply buffing blue loot income only changes part of the equation, and not enough to the point where the risk is worth the reward for most people. If you were farming sites with caps previous to the patch, you may have been vsited by Blood Union. Now with random holes that take forever to roll the risk is too high for small corps as evidenced by the exodus of such groups from w space in recent weeks.

Oh wait, this has all been told to CCP before. No wonder why I feel like I am repeating what others have said.

I would like to point out that hyp launched at almost the exact same time ALOT of ppl started to go back to school as summer was ending. These "numbers" are most likely affected by this.

Of course not. Nor did I imply such. Effective reading comprehension would have let you see that I suggested this might be one of the possible reasons for increasing lower population in wormhole systems. World of Tanks migrations can't be measured, and I suspect you're at least intelligent enough to know that. I'm just asking for something that can be measured.

Face it, the PvE crowd goes where the money is the best for the level of risk they want to endure. When you have a lot of huntable targets in W-space, you draw a lot of hunters. And you draw even more hunters who prey on the novice gankers and who clash violently with one another in glorious spaceship explosions. But without the PvE, your PvP won't last long.

As the number of targets decrease, your normal PvP corp will evaluate their options and see what they can change or need to change to keep their members happy and their bloodlust sated. If the environment was a target-rich environment, there would be no question: keep hunting the targets.


If your PvE types spend more time in hisec running incursions and end up just using the hole for PI, your scenario is backwards: they'll put alts in a hole for PI and move their assets to safety in hisec where they spend their time. Why put that much at risk if all you do is jump out to hisec all the time for incursions?

Your PvP types probably already have alts in incursion fleets. I'm not talking about the PvP types at this time, since I am suggesting they follow the prey, not lead them.

We can't get rid of incursions, but the results may show that they don't need the buffs people keep crying for and CCP keeps delivering. The results may show that everything is fine. I doubt it, but that is a possibility. The reason I'm asking for this information to be reviewed is that I suspect incursions have indeed hurt W-space, and I think the information I've requested might show this. Then I trust that Corbexx will do his best for the whole of W-space to try to convince CCP things need to improve.

I would further suggest that we need those carebears who rarely get caught to serve as encouragement for those who aren't quite as experienced. "Yeah, we can pull in billions per month and almost never lose anything; you just have to be careful." They serve an important part of the food chain, helping to convey the illusion that you're safe in W-space. That they continue to succeed (in safety) where others continue to fail can also galvanize groups to try to be that "good" or even "better".


Sometimes it takes a long time to see trends. Sometimes it doesn't. What I'm asking to have analyzed is a long-term trend, if it exists. Looking at the numbers of towers being anchored vs unanchored for a few months before Hyperion to now, and comparing that to previous years, that's a quick trend that can be analyzed for imminent danger.

This could also be part of a much-longer cycle: you over-hunt a given area, the targets die off / move out for a while, the hunters starve / move out for a while. Then the lack of hostiles combined with dreams of wealth entice the prey back into the hole, drawing the hunters once again.

That is, if the prey doesn't find something else that's easier, safer, and just as (or more) profitable.


The numbers I'm requesting be reviewed would take this trend into account for multiple years.

Poast with main fgt.

That was exactly my experience of C5 space for a very long time before Hyperion, endless chains full of **** all nothing.

We moved to a C4 (in the middle of the w-space highway) and it's exactly like the good old days of wormholes, active chains yielding varied encounters every day and absolutely no need to rage roll.

**** the whiners

Some useful data points: And note i think we need at least two years of graphed data.


Force fields active broken up by WH class

Capital losses broken up by those with and without sleepers on KM's and further broken up by WH class

Subcap losses broken up by those with and without sleepers on KM's and further broken up by WH class

Ore mined in WH space, again broken up by WH class

Gas mined in WH space, again broken up by WH class

Industry jobs ran in WH space again broken up by WH class

Planetary Interaction data broken up by WH class

The amount of WH's spawned broken up per class, if possible to further break it up from those that have player interaction.

The amount of towers killed in WH space again broken up by class (Previously this data was released and showed more sieges in C2 WH's)

The amount of jumps recorded in the frig WH's and the amount of jumps recorded in WH's in same systems as the frig WH

The amount of jumps recorded in WH space broken up by WH class

A graph showing the most used ships in PVP losses in WH space. (I am aware it would be T3's but its after the T3's i am interested in)

The amount of hauler jumps recorded. Not broken up by WH class

The amount of active EVE accounts the have characters logged out in WH space and LS,Null space broken up by WH class

Sleeper kills broken up by WH class and further broken up with the below data points

The amount of Melted Nano ribbons collected in each WH class

The value of Blue loot collected in each class of WH

The UI value of ships in SMA's broken up by WH class

The UI value of items in CH arrays broken up by WH class



Will most likely edit this post as i think of more useful data points.