Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I know this topic has come up several (if not hundreds) of times in the past, but hear me out pls.

Idea is that it'll be named the "Sentinel" class. I've only yet made the Abaddon-equivalent below, since I fly amarr:







My idea behind it is:

1.) We have a PvE Sniper (marauder), a behind-the-scenes scout (blackops), but we don't have a PvP brawler (proposed: sentinel)

2.) The Sentinel's role would be that of a front-line soldier and fleet buffer.
- the presence of a Sentinel in Wall Mode would help tip the balance for the fleet, depending on how well-organized its logi are
- on the other hand, a Sentinel in Gate Mode would be a powerful dps-machine that can blast capitals and battleships into submission... provided they can get into range.

3.) On the other hand, its penalties put it in the niche of being short-range and needing a lot of support
- no drone capacity, no web-bonuses, and BAD targeting range/scan resolution means it's at the mercy of smaller craft and dampeners
- it's very slow: it's 9 m/sec slower than it's T1 counterpart (and that thing's slower than most other ships), while an avatar has 1.37 AU/s; this thing has 1.00 AU/s. My grandma could warp faster by drinking herself into a stupor.
- the Fortress module drinks capacitor like crazy, limiting its true effectiveness unless properly cap-managed and logi'd, further emphasizing its importance as a fleet-ship



So what do you guys think? I've always wondered why there isn't a proper T2-equivalent PvP brawler-battleship, so this is my jab at it.



EDIT1:
- changed from original idea below:

okay....since t2 it will be expensive. At some point with fit even a crap fit dread is looking good for the extra isk.

Here is why:

Why would I fly this over a dread when in a dread in siege I get e-war immunity?

And to overcome the pita of being big fat and slow all I need is a brave cyno to drop me right where I and my fellow dreads need to be? Fight goes bad, not bubbled/hic'd....I am one oh crap cyno away from a nice gtfo blink.


Your brawler BS will be damped, td'd, ecm'd seconds into landing. If amarr on the field...since you like them most it seems, then the cap war begins.

At least in a dread placed bad and slammed with nos/neut it can fire till its sucked dry, Its dying...but may take something down with it. This here 1 bil+ bs slammed with e-war then vamps is basically dying not doing much of anything.




edit: but all is not lost....the caldari tier 3 is the rokh (purists can say there is no tier 3 now....its still an easy way to identify crap so lets move on with that lol). I want a t2 rokh. Work on your bonuses to not be op....and you may get me liking it lol.

Ewwwwww... no.

You do realize that nearly all the available ships we fly are "warships" right?

"Frontline Brawler BS(tm)" is fairly easy to pull off -- just fit blasters (or Pulse, or ACs) - done.

Also, all of the reasons everyone else has posted.

After giving all of your feedback some thought, I've ramp'd the idea up a notch, and added up the following adjustments:





As per Zan Shiro's post, yes. That's exactly my point on my dream-ship's weakness: instead of low sensor strength as with other T2's, this ship will be at the mercy of damps, and that my dream-ship will have to deal with kiters.

But looking closer at the Fortress Module's draft, it could create an interesting pulsing-strategy that would require practice to master. Your reviews on this?

Then again, it can just turtle the fleet with Wall Mode. *shrugs shoulders*

TBH, all I want is a logical reason for a T2 tier 3 battleship to exist. I try to be reasonable, and am open to all your (reasonable) suggestions as to make this work. The point is a PvP-fleet-oriented battleship that its mere presence would entirely justify its exorbitant costs.

Meh if i would design a tier 3 battleship I would take the unused t1 tier 3 bs huls and turn them into the t2 bs that would be assault class.
Also slap on existing stuff like the bastion but t2 bastion module, where you tripple the rate of fire, locking speed, targeting range and give it faster mwd / Ab speed / agility. Give it a faster warp speed when not in bastion mode? Put in some animated parts where turret bases are on the hull.
Then call it Sledgehammer class in 4 random languages and apply those names to the factions in eve.
Increase cargo bay and polish fittings a little to give the new ship class 5-10% more over their t1 counter parts and its done.

Oveeeeeerrrrpoooowwwweeeeerrrred.

I was thinking this could be OP until I thought about bombs. The bigger the fleet, the more bomb damage the Wall mode will take. One bomb run could wreck this thing in a 50+ man fleet.

That said, why 2 modes? Can't it be 2 separate modules? Also, the first thing I thought when I saw Gate mode was "sweet, that's going to be insane isk/hr while PVEing!", not "finally, a t2 BS to pvp with". If anything, BSs need tracking or webs/paints to deal damage, not deal half a dread's worth of damage and hitting practically nothing (or in the case of lasers, they'll completely and utterly haze anything in Scorch range).

Also:
"10-second activation time, and drains capacitor so fast on either mode that (even with full skills and cap boosters), when activated alone, the entire capacitor will only last 3 minutes without logi."
That's silly. Either you cycle your booster and then activate it, or you have 2 Guardians cap tranferring you so you never run out.
And how is it justified? Can't it just take Liquid Ozone or Strontium Clathrates or whatever? For PVP, this is pretty standard (cynos, siege/triage) as it limits the amount of it you can do at one time without blockade runners at your side, and for pve... it's not really a thing (unless you count triage Archons and sieged Moroses in wormholes).


Overall, I think this idea tries to do too many things at once. Either make the ship specialized in battleship-size, dread-level DPS or make it a brick that shields the fleet somehow and flesh them out. Why are they necessary? How are they useful? Why isn't it stepping on ship x's toes? Etc.

Are we playing the same game?

First off,

This.

Secondly, You want a ship with Max High and Max Low slots, double dmg bonus, double tanking bonus, oh and a module that it alone can fit with equally ridiculous bonuses like 15k armor (on top of your 30% bonus to resist), immunity to E-WAR, and the kicker--- Capless MWD.


Oh, but it is balanced-- cause it takes a while to lock up targets.. yeah, balanced.