EVE General Discussion

It's a real shame that FW is not expanded to let "soldier" be a viable career option. In that other MMO that everybody pretends to hate (while keeping silent about their own twinked level-capped toon) all I did in the last year was battleground PVP. Had some some outrageous number of "honor points" or whatever they called it (haven't played since the end of 2007 so I don't remember).

FW comes close to a battleground PVP, but misses the mark. There is no soldier career.

lol

I was going to say something about how there were entrances to nullsec which weren't camped because few people use them, and that once he's past them or blue to the gatecampers, life's a lot easier, but meh, I think he's got the idea that nullsec is the land of the boogeymen, so I'm not going to bother trying to convince him otherwise. vOv

lol I remember when I started playing and discovered eve-central and found that mexallon in Syndicate was a real steal so I decided to roll on down there in my bestower. Needless to say i soon needed a plan B.

then I learned about Provi and loaded like 80% of my wallet in zydrine form into a tormentor and flew blind 20 jumps (I didn't know about jump bridges lol) and regularly made craploads of cash filling in buy orders because Provi had to import high ends back then (haha Provi sucks). Somehow between ninja salvaging holders and frig zydrine runners I wound up recruited and joined part of a series of bad 0.0 alliances and arguably worked my way up to Cascade Imminent.

tbh if I could make it in a tormentor, I don't see why you couldn't.

Yup. Works, but unfortunately in order to make ISK I've had to run this character + my alt as orca fleet support and miner. I'm still working on getting the skills where I can use the modules. Because I need to afford the ships and such. I'm also skeptical about so-called "safe routes" people speak of because there's a lot of people who give false reports to people to bring 'em into the trap (learned about his the hard way, and I fell for it) and once someone makes a saferoute known in the open, someone will capitalize on it by making sure the safe route goes away.

Cost of doing business. But the cost is a little too high right now. Plus I have less than 7 mil SPs. hit the wrong gate and that's 100+ mil isk down the toilet. Insurance still results in a net loss, never mind whatever cargo I was carrying.

If I could get a confirmed route or was blue to enough low/nullsecers that I didn't universally fall into NBSI? I'd consider the risk of flying into low/null and dropping hulls and materiels on the market more than worth it, or trying to join fleet gangs to learn the game of kill **** in hardmode. I have a megathron and some cruisers I'm willing to risk to learn the hardmode game. If they get blown to ****? I don't freaking care, I'll buy a new one and try again. But trying to go it solo when all your friends are content to sit and chill in highsec?

much harder to get involved. Plus I'm ornery and don't want people to dictate to me how I play the game. In fleet's another story, but in general? no patience for it.

Well man, many hands make light work.
Believe it or not, starting out in 0.0 is pretty easy if you take the initiative in finding a welcoming corp. I guess I was lucky after a few tries. High-SP players help with logistics (ie: just cyno down all your stuff) , you have intel channels to help plan your transit. You have access to jump bridges that let you bypass gates (the NC's jump bridge network was incredible at this for example, launching thousands of bears deep into Branch and back). When you're nearby, not busy and an FC asks for help, you chip in what you can. Without scouts and intel, flying an Orca or whatever through null is dangerous as hell, even if it's in your own alliance's space. I could assure you that there are lots of casual 0.0 corps out there that are part of alliances, just like there are carebear corps in highsec who go ballistic if you undock during a wardec.. I certainly couldn't be arsed to live in NBSI 0.0 solo.

Sadly you're probably right, years of nerfs to new 0.0 players' incomes (JBs, JFs, anom nerf) while steady increases in highsec income sources have really added a disincentive for new players to roll in and start risking ships in pursuit of the motherlode.

I believe that there are simply a limited number of people who have the time and desire to play the 0.0 game as it currently exists, and the vast majority of those people are already there.

Whether in an alliance or solo, it's not just that the bar is too high for most other players to want to bother with it (though that's part of it, given the costs in ISK and time/effort), but a lot of people have personalities that just don't enjoy the stress of constantly looking over their shoulder for the next ambush. That stress varies depending on your corp, it's true, but many high-secers like to play solo or with a few friends, and don't have the stomach for corp/alliance politics, backstabbing, rules and regulations, or being forced to play with people they don't like just to survive day-to-day.

Sure, a lot of people look at the continual threat of PvP itself as the selling point, but many others may like a fight once in a while but prefer the other aspects of the game, and find the stress level of navigating 0.0 to be too much. You're never going to convince them to do something they just plain don't think is fun. Most average high-secers who, say, log on for an hour or two after a day at work just can't afford the hassle, and wouldn't want it even if they could.

I think people know pretty well what they want out of the game, and EVE has already mostly sorted itself out based on people's preferences. I don't really see any way the population balance is likely to change unless players are either given additional survival tools to make dealing with the threats of things like gate camps easier on an individual level, the geography of the game is radically changed, or high-sec content is removed to the point that the average high-secer simply gives up and quits the game.

That's not to criticize either mentality; I just think that's the reality of things right now.

Clearly my tread has been derailed, i do indeed know the main null routes are camp by people that shoot everything, this thread is for the OP and not why or how Nuller do there thing.

You look angry, and so wrong, you gave me a good smile irl mostly because of all that importance you give to those internets pubbie press and useless stuff alike.
Get a life on your own, pay your bills and come back when you grow in a few years.

But you can keep blah blah about your ubber press ;D

Do you have a better way to get into the gate off the angle of the bubble? The most effective way is to form a triangle and make your own vector.

(there is an even better way than that - but I won't mention it)