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I like the idea of the fairly new high sec war mechanics, but they just do not work as intended.

Firstly corps and alliances such as marmite, forsaken, everyone vs everyone etc make a joke of CCPs intention of making war more meaningful because they mass "dec" all of high sec. How can a war be mean anything if most war decing corps dont even check who they are decing and simply dec 3/4/5/6 corps a day (in some cases)

* the cost of a war is nothing to 95% of a single eve people, nevermind a corp or alliance.
* the mechanics support mass decs
* the mechanics suppress new corps and force many new players out of the game because they get hammerd constantly by mass dec corps/alliances and thats no fun sitting in a station all day or getting killed constantly with no chance to win.
* the mechanics suppress mercenary corps because it encourages mass touting as an ally, without ever turning up for the war or even speaking with the corp you offer to support (for isk)
* the mechanics encourage griefing because there are few limits on decing.
* the mechanics encourage the 0-0 draw wars, it cost so little to dec you can just dec 20 corps and not turn up for most of them and simply camp all day at a trade hub.
* having played this game since 2005, i have seen how the changes have affected the game over time, gone are the days a new corp can form and thrive, build up and move to 0.0 as part of an alliance they join or create. now there deced within days of creation and destroyed before they get a chance, im not saying this didnt happen before, but its alot more common now. i get survival of the fittest, but the conveyor belt to 0.0 is getting weaker by the day. high sec wars have always been, and can be the making of a corp, but constant decs without anytime to recover is simply a mechanic to remove people from this game completly. if its not fun why should they stay.

In my opinion new mechanics need change the system.

*design some kind of limit or much higher cost to multiple decs.
*perhaps a corp can become undecable for 1 week after a war if the war is not extended. to everyone, 2 weeks to everyone if surrenderd.
*new corps can not dec or be deced for 1 month after creation, unless they join an alliance?
* insert other ideas here!

I understand this is a sandbox, you dont want to set alot of rules and restrictions, that you want the users to create the content. but this is a core foundation of the entire game, high sec is the start for everyone and the support for low sec, 0.0 and wh. the mechanics in place strangle new players and corps, so perhaps some of the above ideas can be implemented in such a way as to not appear limiting, some kind of narrative reason why or made up BS reason why there are limits but however its put in the game it needs to be there. This is not something to think about for along time, i really think this is something that needs to be a priority

thanks.

OK great, i dont have a problem with anyone finding exploits in those ideas. So come up with something yourself! anyone can find problems but not everyone can offer solutions.




no it is not, each part of eve has its own rules and is slightly or alot different then other parts. but high sec is the ONLY place EVERY eve player will visit and is the place where everyone will spend at least a portion of there time.

The problem remains and you offer no solution, some corps and alliances are mass decing high sec and killing off new corps before they get a foothold in the game. the ally system is harming merc corps because you can just ally with everyone for very small amount of isk and not bother with the war. the original concept CCP had for the new war dec system was more meaningful wars. wars over something, not 30/40 decs on at a time, mass decing all of high sec then camping the jita gates.

does anyone have ideas to bring more control to the amount of decs you can have at any one time, that is natural, leaves the choice in the players hands and fits into the idea of meaningful wars??

OK we get it, your a bad ass uber killer who doesnt give a f***.

The problem you fail to see or understand, i dont care personaly why someone dec's somebody else. i care that they CAN dec as many corps/alliances as there bloated wallets let them. and the effects of this mass decing have on eve and high sec. If you dont see an issue with it then there is no need to reply to this at all.

contrary to what was said earlier, i think a much higher cost to war would reduce the mass dec problem, it might even make them take some care as to who they dec. if you x4 the current cost, i dont care how rich you are you wont want to lose 10/15/20b a week on wars you dont even try and fight, the countless 0-0 draw wars. it would force them to consider the dec's more carefuly, it would also help protect smaller and newer corps because they would be less likly to spend 200m on some 20 man bunch of noobs when its unlikly they will see any action or return on it.

if anyone has better ideas, by all means share them. but there is certainly a problem a problem and it certainly does not match what CCP said they wanted from this new war dec system.

just saying.

Yes, please buff us nullseccers. It's annoying to have to use my alt to grab skillbooks, and it'd be nice to be able to undock in jita again.

5b is pocket change for most people. A wardec group has no issue keeping that up. 100+ wars is ridiculous to be honest. Personally I'd increase it 10 fold and/or put a hard limit on how many wars you can be involved in as an aggressor.

The problem with wardecs is that all they are is a means to pay off concord to not intervene. They tried to fix that by adding the whole merc system, but all that did was open a pathway for scammers while still not making wardecs actually mean anything.

Incoming war decs on OP.

And? If people are willing to put themselves in a position where dozens, upon dozens of people can attack them at all hours of the day anywhere in the map... let them.

The "targets" CAN organize themselves and shoot back you know. They just choose not to.


You obviously don't play the way I do.
If people don't have a grudge against me in the first place, they soon will.

So the wars become meaningless. You can't have it both ways. If people are able to use wardecs simply as a mechanic to disable concord, then the wars become meaningless.

And no, those people can't shoot back. They are specifically targeted because they can't shoot back. If they could, they wouldn;t be targetted. And I know, I know, cue the massive walls of text explaining how everyone can learn and blah blah blah I've heard it all before. But it's all horseshit. You know how these wardec groups work, and you know that the average player stands no chance against them.

No, it's designed for people to be able to fight for stuff and over stuff. To actually generate meaningful content between empire groups. Instead it's used to save the cost of losing ships to concord when ganking. If limits were put in place people would have to be selective over who they attack, giving the whole system more meaning. Clearly it doesn't work as it currently is, since people simply use NPC characters for anything remotely important.


You know what I meant by that, so stop being difficult. And limits wouldn't stop you deccing someone because you don't like their name. It would just stop the mass wardecs.

There is something very wrong with one style of play being overpowered and supported above all others, its good to be a mass war deccer right now, that is a game imbalance pure and simple. and nothing kills a sandbox faster then someone pissing in the sand.
I dont have an issue with anyone deccing multiple targets, making war for lols, **** corp names, or just because. i dont care that some guys think pvp is camping a gate from a trade hub, or if corps just want to farm people for isk, I DONT CARE at all. its all part of the fun. What i do care about is the effects of this style of game play in its current overpowerd state has on highsec and all the knock on effects i previsiously mentioned.

Some sort of cap or restriction needs to be applied to make this not impossible but much harder, if 5b is pocket change to most people then lets seriously increase the war dec costs, maybe a price based on number of corps/alliances deced + numbers of members within that dec + and flat fee of some type to come up with a combined fee that increases with each week the dec continued?

just ideas, maybe you have some?

Why would you fight over content that is infinitely spawning....