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Winthorp
#141 - 2014-09-05 01:38:28 UTC
BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck wrote:
Winthorp wrote:
BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck wrote:
Really small C4 corp here, we pve and (try to) pvp on opportunities that present themselves.

This patch has pretty much ruined it for us because our second static is a C1 (can't effectively collapse with small number of players in reasonable time) and that it seems doing sites is suicide, as wormholes pop up so often. No sites, no money to replace things we get blobbed on (that's annoying too lol)

Seriously considering packing up and returning to k space or unsubbing altogether. (cause me no like kspace) :'(


Don't like the C1? Learn to adapt and take over another WH, or just quit and wait for someone to hold your hand in another game.


I don't understand. If Hyperion's goal was to move people out of C4's, then mission accomplished. Seen many people packing up POS's.


So much generalization with your post and so many others, like i have said many times WH's were empty before Hyperion and people see them empty now and say everyone is leaving.....

Try waiting for some data or response from CCP as only they have real data, so many ******* armchair statisticians.
Navigation Boy
Edge Dancers
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#142 - 2014-09-05 02:05:33 UTC
Kirasten wrote:
Navigation Boy wrote:
Maduin Shi wrote:
[quote=Mithandra]I don't think he's complaining anymore, he adapted like you guys have and I have. Still, its like adapting to TV dinners and microwave veggies, when just a week ago you were eating filet mignon.

Am I the only one that prefers TV Dinner to Filet Mignon?
I mean literally, not metaphorically.



Yes

More for me. Lol
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
#143 - 2014-09-05 06:34:10 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck wrote:
Winthorp wrote:
BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck wrote:
Really small C4 corp here, we pve and (try to) pvp on opportunities that present themselves.

This patch has pretty much ruined it for us because our second static is a C1 (can't effectively collapse with small number of players in reasonable time) and that it seems doing sites is suicide, as wormholes pop up so often. No sites, no money to replace things we get blobbed on (that's annoying too lol)

Seriously considering packing up and returning to k space or unsubbing altogether. (cause me no like kspace) :'(


Don't like the C1? Learn to adapt and take over another WH, or just quit and wait for someone to hold your hand in another game.


I don't understand. If Hyperion's goal was to move people out of C4's, then mission accomplished. Seen many people packing up POS's.


So much generalization with your post and so many others, like i have said many times WH's were empty before Hyperion and people see them empty now and say everyone is leaving.....

Try waiting for some data or response from CCP as only they have real data, so many ******* armchair statisticians.


This is not true. I was a c4 nomad then the last year became resident in c4/c4. That space was full of small groups or alts, many many russians. I rolled my static alot and not very often came along a really empty one. Most of them farmers ofc as I did myself but it also was my pew if I could catch em. Simply the same **** as in c5/6 but on a small scale. I don't know whats wrong with that. I see/saw alot empty c5 on the other end - guess why is that?

I'm pretty sure the majority of those actually living in c4 were not asking for this changes - it were the ones not living there.
It's the same if some null guy comes here giving a comment on something he has no idea about. *sigh*

It is just wrong to believe that you can entertain a 200 man corp in a wormhole. That scale you have in null/low - but there I guess those are just afraid to field their caps...

The food chain seems broken now. You got moar gank mechanic implemented and uh oh ... what? They whine, they leave? This logic will never work out ...

thanks for the fish ;)
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#144 - 2014-09-05 09:57:59 UTC
Depends on who you ask. Wormhole pve just creates victims and believe or not the average player doesn't particularly enjoy whelping their ships.
Pavel Sohaj
BAND of MAGNUS
#145 - 2014-09-05 11:41:06 UTC
BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck wrote:
Really small C4 corp here, we pve and (try to) pvp on opportunities that present themselves.

This patch has pretty much ruined it for us because our second static is a C1 (can't effectively collapse with small number of players in reasonable time) and that it seems doing sites is suicide, as wormholes pop up so often. No sites, no money to replace things we get blobbed on (that's annoying too lol)

Seriously considering packing up and returning to k space or unsubbing altogether. (cause me no like kspace) :'(


Yeh, thats what we did as well. Packed stuff, moved out and considering what next.
Serko Kalidri
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#146 - 2014-09-05 22:50:35 UTC
Rocked up here today to say my piece on this subject;

I have been playing EVE for a number of years with different accounts, this happens to be my latest. I don't tend to play EVE a lot, maybe 1 or 2 evenings a week. Up until now wormholes have been a brilliant place for me; I could log on with my corp, run a few sites, make a decent amount of money, use that money to buy a PVP ship, lose that PVP ship and then start the process again.

I logged on today early morning UK time to do some PI and found some of our Aussie corp mates rolling holes to try and find sites but were coming up with sweet FA. I then log on UK evening time to find corp mates had been doing that all day (and then us all evening) to find nothing!

All in all 9 of us were online, we made a total go 69mill in 5 hours running the sites we did find; thats 7.6mill each. Compared to a normal haul of about 100-300mill each. Thats not good. Its especially not good for someone like me who doesn't get to play regularly and when he does, wants to feel like I am actually achieving something, which I don't get from mission grinding or other crap tasks you get to do in K-space.

There WERE a couple of good things about wormhole space; the money, the fear of getting ganked while trying to get it. The money if what made it worth while. The fear is what made it fun. These things are gone with the lack of sites and people now in W-space.

This is not a good thing. Clearly a lot of people aren't happy about this at all, I am one of these people. Maybe what some people have said on here is right and that we will get used to this new dynamic (I mean after all, who likes change right?) but right now I feel like I have wasted a tonne of time this evening that could have been better spent doing something else other than playing Eve.
Moloney
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2014-09-06 11:42:42 UTC
Tisban wrote:
Nobody needs to lose their jobs, let's not start World War 3, it isn't totally terrible - it just failed to achieve the original aims of Hyperion and needs some tweaks to make Wormhole Space more viable to increase activity.


Yes they do need to lose their job.

You said your self I at they failed to accomplish the primary objective of the patch.

Now we know they are hiding under a rock.

If I go to Starbucks and order a coffee, the server hands me a cup of mud and tells me that if I don't drink fast it will either explode or someone else will steal it. Then hides under the counter. I would want them fired to.
Winthorp
#148 - 2014-09-06 11:47:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Winthorp
Moloney wrote:
Tisban wrote:
Nobody needs to lose their jobs, let's not start World War 3, it isn't totally terrible - it just failed to achieve the original aims of Hyperion and needs some tweaks to make Wormhole Space more viable to increase activity.


Yes they do need to lose their job.

You said your self I at they failed to accomplish the primary objective of the patch.

Now we know they are hiding under a rock.

If I go to Starbucks and order a coffee, the server hands me a cup of mud and tells me that if I don't drink fast it will either explode or someone else will steal it. Then hides under the counter. I would want them fired to.


How have they hidden under a rock? I Have seen more dev posts in the WH forums in the last 6 months then i have in my many years of playing.

You should drink less coffee though it seems to be rotting your brain.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#149 - 2014-09-06 12:03:16 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
Moloney wrote:
Tisban wrote:
Nobody needs to lose their jobs, let's not start World War 3, it isn't totally terrible - it just failed to achieve the original aims of Hyperion and needs some tweaks to make Wormhole Space more viable to increase activity.


Yes they do need to lose their job.

You said your self I at they failed to accomplish the primary objective of the patch.

Now we know they are hiding under a rock.

If I go to Starbucks and order a coffee, the server hands me a cup of mud and tells me that if I don't drink fast it will either explode or someone else will steal it. Then hides under the counter. I would want them fired to.


How have they hidden under a rock? I Have seen more dev posts in the WH forums in the last 6 months then i have in my many years of playing.

You should drink less coffee though it seems to be rotting your brain.


I like coffee though :< It's so good.

Holy **** the guy you're quoted is absolutely ******** like almost as bad as some of the WH art thread people. I bet he lost his job for being **** and is just being bitter.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#150 - 2014-09-06 20:02:07 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
Moloney wrote:
Tisban wrote:
Nobody needs to lose their jobs, let's not start World War 3, it isn't totally terrible - it just failed to achieve the original aims of Hyperion and needs some tweaks to make Wormhole Space more viable to increase activity.


Yes they do need to lose their job.

You said your self I at they failed to accomplish the primary objective of the patch.

Now we know they are hiding under a rock.

If I go to Starbucks and order a coffee, the server hands me a cup of mud and tells me that if I don't drink fast it will either explode or someone else will steal it. Then hides under the counter. I would want them fired to.


How have they hidden under a rock? I Have seen more dev posts in the WH forums in the last 6 months then i have in my many years of playing.

You should drink less coffee though it seems to be rotting your brain.


I think he means the whole "We're monitoring this thread but won't say anything about it" thing is pissing him off...
Gunner GzR
Timber Wolves
#151 - 2014-09-08 01:07:49 UTC
I think enough has been said that CCP knows we do not Like One of the changes and its hurting our space. Now it is just a matter of seeing if they care enough to back up a few changes or make more constructive changes to Pull Players back into w space.

Here are a few of my ideas.


1. Sleepers faction Drops= this will Give us officer / faction drops same as other space and will drive ppl into whs to hunt for them.

2. A higher class wh like a c7 that has massive mass whs that you can move a proper cap fleet and support fleet to run sleeper sites with capital sleepers and get back out . We will be able to have large fleet fights as well in there. Make The class 7 with no moons so it can not be "lived" in and multiple connections

3. Make lower class wh sleeper drops better and more worth while to run. this is class 1-3 also let make a few more of the triggers random to take out the boring predictable assembly line style of running sights. Maybe give them some escalations as well if you warp in bs's or caps for all class sites


That is all i have for now but a few constructive ideas for you to look over

Change For the Sake of Change is bad Listen to you community CCP We are what make you Money. Remove Local From 0.0 and Low Space Please
Scrubnbubble
If we die it's lag
#152 - 2014-09-08 04:28:50 UTC
Moloney wrote:
Tisban wrote:
Nobody needs to lose their jobs, let's not start World War 3, it isn't totally terrible - it just failed to achieve the original aims of Hyperion and needs some tweaks to make Wormhole Space more viable to increase activity.


Yes they do need to lose their job.

You said your self I at they failed to accomplish the primary objective of the patch.

Now we know they are hiding under a rock.

If I go to Starbucks and order a coffee, the server hands me a cup of mud and tells me that if I don't drink fast it will either explode or someone else will steal it. Then hides under the counter. I would want them fired to.


Because people don't ever make mistakes. Holy crap, lighten up. Do I like the changes? No (except the BM changes - awesome). Am I going to be screaming someone needs to get fired? No. You sir, should never be an employer.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#153 - 2014-09-08 12:25:05 UTC
Scrubnbubble wrote:
Moloney wrote:
Tisban wrote:
Nobody needs to lose their jobs, let's not start World War 3, it isn't totally terrible - it just failed to achieve the original aims of Hyperion and needs some tweaks to make Wormhole Space more viable to increase activity.


Yes they do need to lose their job.

You said your self I at they failed to accomplish the primary objective of the patch.

Now we know they are hiding under a rock.

If I go to Starbucks and order a coffee, the server hands me a cup of mud and tells me that if I don't drink fast it will either explode or someone else will steal it. Then hides under the counter. I would want them fired to.


Because people don't ever make mistakes. Holy crap, lighten up. Do I like the changes? No (except the BM changes - awesome). Am I going to be screaming someone needs to get fired? No. You sir, should never be an employer.


There's "making mistakes and admitting them" and then there's "making mistakes and then sticking your head in the sand singing 'lalalalala' over and over so you can't hear that it was a mistake"
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2014-09-08 12:49:25 UTC
What do you expect when the guy who designed the Nestor is given the job of "fixing" wormhole space? Blink

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Moth Eisig
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2014-09-08 16:49:40 UTC
Gunner GzR wrote:


3. Make lower class wh sleeper drops better and more worth while to run. this is class 1-3



C4s too.
Gunner GzR
Timber Wolves
#156 - 2014-09-09 01:31:48 UTC
Moth Eisig wrote:
Gunner GzR wrote:


3. Make lower class wh sleeper drops better and more worth while to run. this is class 1-3



C4s too.



yea i did not include 4's in that statement as i tend to run c4 s to pay for my ships to fight with and it seemed self serving

Change For the Sake of Change is bad Listen to you community CCP We are what make you Money. Remove Local From 0.0 and Low Space Please
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#157 - 2014-09-09 09:27:50 UTC
Gunner GzR wrote:
Moth Eisig wrote:
Gunner GzR wrote:


3. Make lower class wh sleeper drops better and more worth while to run. this is class 1-3



C4s too.



yea i did not include 4's in that statement as i tend to run c4 s to pay for my ships to fight with and it seemed self serving


C4 anoms seem to average on the better side of 200mil/hour, imo no need to pump that up any more.

About the Hyperion changes? Brilliant. Dual statics made C4 space the best w-space so far, persistent signatures make scanning easier, bookmarks are easier to handle in an alliance (until we get alliance bms) and overall the activity seems on par with activity 2 years ago.

Mass spawning change has made literally no difference whatsoever to our operations, it maybe adds a bit more interest in jumping wormholes in certain ships, but in any case it's certainly not any kind of an issue for wormhole community.

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#158 - 2014-09-09 20:14:30 UTC
TLDR;

I disagree however. My C5 has had a few connections, and sometimes just one. The second static in c4's is a blessing as I have been able to raid other holes when the c4 is dead. My biggest complaint is the darn respawn on sigs. I have had 5 non wormholes in my system snce hyp. 4 gas sites, 1 relic. That's it.

Everything else I have not had an issue with. And if more people leave, then that means more money fro me.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Mister Tuggles
Dickhead Corner
#159 - 2014-09-10 01:23:03 UTC
From what I've been reading in all the threads it seems c4s got hit the hardest. They already had the lowest population of all the class of WHs, but now a lot of the corps living in c4s have packed up shop. It is rather sad that CCP is so blind to the goings on of their game that they let the hugely negative changes they make to an entire segment of the game persist for so long without so much as an official response.

A simple "We screwed up, our bad" would suffice. Instead we are stuck playing the waiting game which will end up with even more people evaccing out of their homes.
Moloney
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2014-09-12 08:47:29 UTC
Roll back Hyperion

Apologise for your behavior over this release.

Fix pos management. (The only real thing we wanted in the first place!)