EVE General Discussion

OK, so CCP added a bunch of refining changes in order to make it more like a "profession"...

Did they realize, within a few days, hundreds (or even thousands) of re-prefected refiners would flood the market with their service, making perfect refining close to worthless?

Did they realize, that making a "profession" with -zero- variable time cost will, almost always, have no long term value?

Oh, and 'apprentice' refiners make negative isk with their service... some profession!

These new changes were mainly just to fill their changelog with a bunch of worthless crap. A few weeks in and refining is exactly as it was before.

If they -really- wanted to make refining a profession, they would have to add time constraints to refining, and maybe reduce manufacturing costs to rebalance finished goods price.

Remember, inanimate objects don't use isk. You are paying for SERVICES, not GOODS.

NPC highsec refiner is angry that his highsec business doesn't make as much money as null refiners. And now for the weather.

Nope, compression is rubbish and it never sells ;-)

I did it some time a few years ago and at least then there were all sorts of guides and spread sheets specifically for it. It was/is? a sub category of buying stuff below its real market value and then selling it for a profit. It is just thought as separate niche, since it required you to train a few refining skills to maximize the gains.

OK, so there are 3 types of jobs in eve:

ACTIVE professions: requre time, and constant user intervention during that time (aka mining, combat, salvaging, trading, etc) -> High isk gain
PASSIVE professions: require time, but no user intervention during that time (research points, blueprint copying, manufacturing, etc...) -> Moderate isk gain
NON professions: require no time at all (refining, instant buy-sell in same station, etc)

All of these can be improved with training (aka fixed cost), but only produce isk gain off the variable cost (aka time required to complete the action).
Refining is a skill that only produces isk off the fixed time cost (aka no variable cost) and thus will become worthless over time when two competitors with similar skills enter the market.

Adding something like "null-sec bonus" is meaningless, because with two null sec refiners the value of the refine will compete to zero... mainly because each refiner has infinite supply of refining service.

There is the logistics of getting the refine into jita, but again thats a logistics profit, not an industry profit.

Hmm - well, there certainly is an opportunity to further expand reprocessing. Perhaps reprocessing should take some time (instead of being instant), and have further skills to speed up reprocessing time etc (and add skills per resource being reprocessed in terms of time). Maybe add a further system cost if everyone is using the same reprocessing station.

Drive up dem costs!!

No, I realize it isn't about driving up dem costs, but it would happen if reprocessing couldn't insta-reprocess infinite ore to minerals. This could make reprocessing into a potential profession if there was a time component to the activity attached based on volume reprocessed.

Nope and, nope.

Give it a few months, when all those pre-Crius stockpiles of minerals are gone. Add to that the fact that more and more people just aren't mining.

Said "flood" of minerals has bottomed out the top-ends to ridiculously low prices (buy 'em now, buy 'em cheap ? ) and who the Hell wants to work for "minimum wage" ? Not many, and they've left.

Nevermind the fact of how hard that still makes it to PLEX accounts on miner's pay... BLINK may be gone, but PLEX are still pricey.

YES! that's what I wanted to hear. Making Ore and minerals two separate things =D

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