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graph of activity pre and post-hyperion?

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-09-07 18:31:18 UTC
Someone in my corp mentioned in passing that there was this graph of pre- and post-hyperion wormhole activity floating somewhere...

Does anyone have a link?
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-09-07 18:58:24 UTC  |  Edited by: corbexx
Nutmegpainter
Whale Girth
#3 - 2014-09-07 19:39:32 UTC
corbexx wrote:
Rhavas posted a couple on twitter.

(hope these links work)

https://twitter.com/EVE_Rhavas/status/507778949745623040/photo/1

https://twitter.com/EVE_Rhavas/status/507778625974710272/photo/1

these are cap kills though





This should be spammed, retweeted, and rammed down cccp's (hehe) throat

I've heard about countless engagements that just didn't happen because of patch

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-09-07 20:51:29 UTC
corbexx wrote:
Rhavas posted a couple on twitter.

(hope these links work)

https://twitter.com/EVE_Rhavas/status/507778949745623040/photo/1

https://twitter.com/EVE_Rhavas/status/507778625974710272/photo/1

these are cap kills though


thank you corbexx.

yeah looks like activity went down.

im in favor of the changes that hyperion brought, but this trend says activity is going down - not good. i guess they should reverse the mass-based jump change, or at least nerf its severity...

damn, and i was liking the fact that my cloaky proteus never spawns at zero on the hole now... i lost so many scanners because i could not cloak up in time..
Winthorp
#5 - 2014-09-07 21:05:09 UTC
Before you all grab your already overused pitchforks can we not use this lopsided small batched graph to ask CCP for more data to be released?

CCP Fozzie could do an amazing blog with all the WH data they have i am sure, but why would he want to with the level of hate that has been on these forums lately.
Skywalker
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#6 - 2014-09-07 21:19:34 UTC
If players in WH decline, prices on sleeper loot might go up eventually, with less players doing those sites/higher risks with more incoming holes.
CivilWars
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#7 - 2014-09-07 21:43:28 UTC
Clearly this graph with 2 months of data is the definitive answer we have all been searching for. I am sure the fact that there are only 2-3 weeks of high numbers compared to the last 2 weeks means nothing at all. I am also sure the 3 week decline preceding Hyperion are related to Hyperion as well.

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
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#8 - 2014-09-07 22:12:04 UTC
CivilWars wrote:
Clearly this graph with 2 months of data is the definitive answer we have all been searching for. I am sure the fact that there are only 2-3 weeks of high numbers compared to the last 2 weeks means nothing at all. I am also sure the 3 week decline preceding Hyperion are related to Hyperion as well.


Dont get me wrong, Im one of the people who LIKE the hyperion changes. I thought it would improve WH experience and generate interesting fights. I still do think so. Capital ship jumping back and forth with zero risk to close an unwanted hole? Come on, thats just ********.

But, I cannot argue with the facts - lately i go scanning down the chain and I find less activity then usual. Could it be related to Hyperion? A lot of folks say it is. Personally I think that its all about mentality - people just not embracing the new mechanic and clinging to old ways. But, it is what it is. Maybe majority of people just werent ready for a shake-up.
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#9 - 2014-09-07 22:23:54 UTC
I recall before we even left w-space, which was before Hyperion was even announced, that we would rage roll for HOURS finding nothing, or have chains that had 20+ systems in them with nothing. Some people act like every w-space system was occupied pre-Hyperion, which isn't true. Yes, Hyperion has likely made it worse, but much of that is just because of people who refuse to even give the changes a chance, and decided before anything bad even happened that they were done.

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corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-09-07 22:41:14 UTC  |  Edited by: corbexx
Winthorp wrote:
Before you all grab your already overused pitchforks can we not use this lopsided small batched graph to ask CCP for more data to be released?

CCP Fozzie could do an amazing blog with all the WH data they have i am sure, but why would he want to with the level of hate that has been on these forums lately.


CCP Fozzie has some numbers. but thats obviously NDA, there some graphs Rhavas sorted, which obviously aren't NDA. The sample size could really do with being bigger. But beggars can't be choosers.

The other issue is even once we have more data, its figuring out what is or isnt causing stuff. With so many changes happening at once we ideally need to figure out exactly what is affecting what. Distance/mass, frig wh, sigs spawning when jumping in all could well be affecting various elements.

If say npc kills are down (which i'm not saying they are, I'm using this as a example) is it due to the fact its harder to close your wormholes, or the fact there is loads of frig wh's everywhere and this is putting people off running them, or a combination of them.

If say kills are up in wh's (again not saying they are or not but using this as a example) is it due to people being caught rolling a wormhole or is it frig wormholes. Are more people getting caught in sites due to the fact they have less warning when people connect to you?

Hoping to get more info soon, I've asked for a tonne of extra info, which will hopefully help us sort out exactly what is or isnt happening and if its good or bad. The other issue is some stuff may take a while for us to attually see. so we may have to monitor stuff for a little while.

I was on Down The Pipe this weekend along with a whole load of other people and was some interesting stuff brought up, ideas on what would be useful to know. and I'm hoping i can grab CCP Fozzie (maybe the rest of the team as well) for 10 or 15 mins for a chat about various stuff that was brought up. but even then thats only 2 weeks of data which probably isnt enough.

I'll be over in Iceland for the summit in a week so That may be a good chance to get alot of data and I'll be able to talk to them then and there about it.

As much as i dont like various changes there won't be any knee jerk reaction till we have solid information to attually act on

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Mister Tuggles
Dickhead Corner
#11 - 2014-09-07 22:45:59 UTC
I think there has been a resounding sigh of annoyance, again, with CCP. Hyperion had no purpose, but to try and force PvP. This was not needed at all. While they have went ahead and severely increased the danger of living in WH's, and completely destroyed the way of living for people in c4's (the ones that got high class statics). The thing they didn't do was increase the reward for living in such space with the higher risk.


-In HS you have incursions with pretty much 0 risk, and the ability to pull in 100m an hour or more.

-LS you have FW farming. I can't speak of the isk made in LS, but from the amount of farmers I assume it is quite high.

-Null is just ******* ridiculous. There is a reason bots are so rampant here. Little/No risk, high reward.

-Now with WH's you have immense amounts of risk, with the reward being on par with the risk free incursions. That is unless you are a c5/6 corp doing full cap escalations. C1-4 are in great need of their site values getting an overhaul.



All in all this is another horrible flop for CCP brought about by their inability to actually test things, and get player input. Instead they come up with these horrible ideas, implement them on SiSi to make sure they aren't terribly bugged, and then jam them down our throats without even listening to a single snippet of feedback from the people who will be hit by the changes.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-09-07 22:46:11 UTC
CivilWars wrote:
Clearly this graph with 2 months of data is the definitive answer we have all been searching for. I am sure the fact that there are only 2-3 weeks of high numbers compared to the last 2 weeks means nothing at all. I am also sure the 3 week decline preceding Hyperion are related to Hyperion as well.

yeah, im sure the trend is completely unrelated.
in fact, it's probably due to ROLO moving to nullsec.... Roll
give us a break mate

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#13 - 2014-09-07 22:49:56 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
CivilWars wrote:
Clearly this graph with 2 months of data is the definitive answer we have all been searching for. I am sure the fact that there are only 2-3 weeks of high numbers compared to the last 2 weeks means nothing at all. I am also sure the 3 week decline preceding Hyperion are related to Hyperion as well.

yeah, im sure the trend is completely unrelated.
in fact, it's probably due to ROLO moving to nullsec.... Roll
give us a break mate

Sure, let's just write off the 2+ weeks in July, and blame that on Hyperion too, right? I am not saying Hyperion hasn't had an affect, just saying 2 months of data is not conclusive on how much of an impact.

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#14 - 2014-09-07 22:51:45 UTC
I mean surely all of the high school and college kids returning to school, so they can't play all day had no impact because none of them live in WHs, right? No need to compare the numbers from last year to this one. Nah, that couldn't be it at all. It is 100% Hyperion.

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Winthorp
#15 - 2014-09-07 22:56:17 UTC
corbexx wrote:
CCP Fozzie has some numbers. but thats obviously NDA


It is only NDA at their whim.
Mister Tuggles
Dickhead Corner
#16 - 2014-09-07 23:05:44 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
corbexx wrote:
CCP Fozzie has some numbers. but thats obviously NDA


It is only NDA at their whim.



It is NDA because they know Hyperion was a failure of a release, and they don't like admitting they are wrong.
Winthorp
#17 - 2014-09-07 23:08:58 UTC
Mister Tuggles wrote:
Winthorp wrote:
corbexx wrote:
CCP Fozzie has some numbers. but thats obviously NDA


It is only NDA at their whim.



It is NDA because they know Hyperion was a failure of a release, and they don't like admitting they are wrong.


Keep grasping at your pitchfork man, it's comments like this that are the reason they would have no incentive to release them.

The majority of you would spin any data to your already pre conceived conclusion about Hyperion.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#18 - 2014-09-07 23:10:51 UTC
I don't think numbers really show the true impact, there are none the less also going to be some players who use the new mechanics to their advantages which may offset some, even all of the trend - doesn't mean its a good thing.
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-09-07 23:13:31 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
corbexx wrote:
CCP Fozzie has some numbers. but thats obviously NDA


It is only NDA at their whim.


Its NDA cos its on the csm forum area. If it wasnt for the fact CCP Fozzie said he had got some data already I wouldn't even be able to say that much. Which really sucks. Hopefully I'll be able to say more soon, as I really dont like hiding stuff behind NDA.

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Winthorp
#20 - 2014-09-07 23:18:06 UTC
corbexx wrote:
Winthorp wrote:
corbexx wrote:
CCP Fozzie has some numbers. but thats obviously NDA


It is only NDA at their whim.


Its NDA cos its on the csm forum area. If it wasnt for the fact CCP Fozzie said he had got some data already I wouldn't even be able to say that much. Which really sucks. Hopefully I'll be able to say more soon, as I really dont like hiding stuff behind NDA.


Yeah that's my point though, nobody expects a CSM to be able to release it without approval. Am only asking CCP Fozzie to do the blog he said he might be able to come up with when he spoke at townhall.
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