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The beginning of the End of Downtime?!
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Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#1 - 2014-09-07 00:38:21 UTC
I did not find any reference on these forums about this tweet posted by CCP Erlendur earlier this month...
Better late than never, I guess.

CCP is working in the background to eradicate down time, and this is great news, even if there are many steps remaining...

https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/506921664689766400

"Today we did the first #eveonline patch outside the downtime period and without a server reboot. Always improving! "

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Sibyyl
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Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-09-07 00:39:24 UTC

This may not be so much the end of downtime, as it may be a way to deliver quick fixes without having the players wait a day to get it.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-09-07 00:50:10 UTC
Saisin wrote:
I did not find any reference on these forums about this tweet posted by CCP Erlendur earlier this month...
Better late than never, I guess.

CCP is working in the background to eradicate down time, and this is great news, even if there are many steps remaining...

https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/506921664689766400

"Today we did the first #eveonline patch outside the downtime period and without a server reboot. Always improving! "



It never ceases to amaze me how people interpret things. "Today we patched outside of downtime" =/= "we're getting rid of downtime." If they were getting rid of downtime they'd say, "we're getting rid of downtime." I don't know, maybe they are, but because they haven't said so explicitly, neither do you.

I know all this sounds kind of trivial, but this is exactly the reason science denial exists - people who 'reinterpret' things or derive a meaning from them that doesn't exist based on what they think the words mean, or by adding their own to give it a new meaning that it never had, or whatever.

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rofflesausage
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-09-07 01:09:37 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Saisin wrote:
I did not find any reference on these forums about this tweet posted by CCP Erlendur earlier this month...
Better late than never, I guess.

CCP is working in the background to eradicate down time, and this is great news, even if there are many steps remaining...

https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/506921664689766400

"Today we did the first #eveonline patch outside the downtime period and without a server reboot. Always improving! "



It never ceases to amaze me how people interpret things. "Today we patched outside of downtime" =/= "we're getting rid of downtime."


Apart from he said "CCP is working in the background to eradicate down time, and this is great news, even if there are many steps remaining..."

Which is also what CCP have said multiple times on Devblogs and at Fanfest: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/death-to-downtimes/

Quote:
We will continue our efforts on reducing daily downtime, until we reach the ultimate goal of no daily downtime, I'll leave you with these graphs that show you the road towards no daily downtime.


Ironically you're the one who has done the reinterpretation of what he said and ranted about it.
Prophet Tier
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-09-07 01:11:23 UTC
RossMP9999 wrote:
@erlendur I'm guessing this is ultimately for hot fixes during server intensive episodes?

erlendur wrote:
@RossMP9999 There are many steps towards death of downtime, this was one.


This might be relevant.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-09-07 01:16:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Congratulations, you just linked a devpost from 2010. I do not stand corrected in criticising the use of only the quote above to mean something it did not explicitly mean.

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#7 - 2014-09-07 01:24:18 UTC
Saisin wrote:
I did not find any reference on these forums about this tweet posted by CCP Erlendur earlier this month...
Better late than never, I guess.

CCP is working in the background to eradicate down time, and this is great news, even if there are many steps remaining...

https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/506921664689766400

"Today we did the first #eveonline patch outside the downtime period and without a server reboot. Always improving! "




I still want them to go back to 1hr DT, like the good ol days.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-09-07 01:27:10 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Saisin wrote:
I did not find any reference on these forums about this tweet posted by CCP Erlendur earlier this month...
Better late than never, I guess.

CCP is working in the background to eradicate down time, and this is great news, even if there are many steps remaining...

https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/506921664689766400

"Today we did the first #eveonline patch outside the downtime period and without a server reboot. Always improving! "




I still want them to go back to 1hr DT, like the good ol days.


I prefer having a downtime to not having one, even if it wasn't necessary.

I reset my router at home every 24 hours for the same reason.

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#9 - 2014-09-07 01:29:23 UTC
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#10 - 2014-09-07 04:11:21 UTC
Bring back hour downtimes, nightmare patch weeks, deleted windows boot files, and Devs who accidentally the server.






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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-09-07 04:16:53 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Bring back hour downtimes, nightmare patch weeks, deleted windows boot files, and Devs who accidentally the server.



Yeah... don't know if they can bring him back.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#12 - 2014-09-07 07:51:03 UTC
Daily down time is so short now a days, does anyone really care about it?

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Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#13 - 2014-09-07 08:14:25 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Daily down time is so short now a days, does anyone really care about it?

it can be exploited...
say you are in a sieged and bubbled pos with a valuable ship..
disconnect from there then a few seconds before next downtime reconnect and be disconnected after a few seconds by the downtime but you will still be in warp, so the next time you log in your ship will be way outside of the sieged pos, free to go wherever you want...
Not very much point to siege POSes to get loots and kill trapped ships while downtime is around..

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Eve Cluster Explorations
#14 - 2014-09-07 09:30:11 UTC
I thought the beginning of the end of downtime was the part where it stopped being a full hour?

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Dave Stark
#15 - 2014-09-07 09:40:11 UTC
didn't that patch kick everyone off eve?

as in, that's a horrible thing that should never be repeated ever again?
TigerXtrm
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Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2014-09-07 10:55:41 UTC
How would that even work, pushing a patch to the server and the client while people are actively playing?

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Good Sax
#17 - 2014-09-07 10:58:11 UTC
More importantly, when the hell am I supposed to take a shower now? Shocked

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Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-09-07 11:05:00 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Saisin wrote:
I did not find any reference on these forums about this tweet posted by CCP Erlendur earlier this month...
Better late than never, I guess.

CCP is working in the background to eradicate down time, and this is great news, even if there are many steps remaining...

https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/506921664689766400

"Today we did the first #eveonline patch outside the downtime period and without a server reboot. Always improving! "



It never ceases to amaze me how people interpret things. "Today we patched outside of downtime" =/= "we're getting rid of downtime." If they were getting rid of downtime they'd say, "we're getting rid of downtime." I don't know, maybe they are, but because they haven't said so explicitly, neither do you.

I know all this sounds kind of trivial, but this is exactly the reason science denial exists - people who 'reinterpret' things or derive a meaning from them that doesn't exist based on what they think the words mean, or by adding their own to give it a new meaning that it never had, or whatever.

Weren't you meant to be quitting and never coming back? I seem to remember a giant threadought in which you had a hissy fit and said you would be quitting eve for good. lol
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#19 - 2014-09-07 11:07:09 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
How would that even work, pushing a patch to the server and the client while people are actively playing?

One presumes that it would only work with server only patches and client patches would have a specific downtime for them allocated.
A daily downtime is a good idea in my books though as it allows for everyone to breathe, and stops week long tidi battles melting hardware also by putting a max time limit on fights.
Pine Marten
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-09-07 11:59:26 UTC
Coming up on 4 years and we still have a downtime.
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