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Revenant event killmail

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Creamdream
Whatever Brah
#61 - 2014-09-07 01:56:54 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I thought player hosted events were content creation? Not theme park game mechanics? Don't be a bitter old man my old friend. It doesn't suit you.

It's content creation of the worst kind. "Come shoot at this rare ship that I'm going to sacrifice for you, all you have to do is show up!" It cheapens the experience of killing such ships for people who do so naturally, with the tremendous amount of planning, waiting, and psychological manipulation required. Now any schlepper could just show up and effortlessly add a Revenant killmail to their board and show it off as if they actually did something to earn it. It's a ******* trophy for participation.


There is a quit game button, you know.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2014-09-07 02:25:09 UTC
Creamdream wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I thought player hosted events were content creation? Not theme park game mechanics? Don't be a bitter old man my old friend. It doesn't suit you.

It's content creation of the worst kind. "Come shoot at this rare ship that I'm going to sacrifice for you, all you have to do is show up!" It cheapens the experience of killing such ships for people who do so naturally, with the tremendous amount of planning, waiting, and psychological manipulation required. Now any schlepper could just show up and effortlessly add a Revenant killmail to their board and show it off as if they actually did something to earn it. It's a ******* trophy for participation.


There is a quit game button, you know.


Thank you, captain obvious. Is that the same one we all use a few hours after pushing the "Play" one on the launcher? Provide you use the launcher, of course....

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

mrjknyazev
College of Winterhold
Honorable Third Party
#63 - 2014-09-07 02:28:11 UTC
Creamdream wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I thought player hosted events were content creation? Not theme park game mechanics? Don't be a bitter old man my old friend. It doesn't suit you.

It's content creation of the worst kind. "Come shoot at this rare ship that I'm going to sacrifice for you, all you have to do is show up!" It cheapens the experience of killing such ships for people who do so naturally, with the tremendous amount of planning, waiting, and psychological manipulation required. Now any schlepper could just show up and effortlessly add a Revenant killmail to their board and show it off as if they actually did something to earn it. It's a ******* trophy for participation.


There is a quit game button, you know.


Perhaps James forgot that this is just a rare ship, not limited-edition one. The more of them will get built in time (and killed), the less special the stories behind killing them will sound.
Ironically, it reminds me about ccp's sansha-themed event, because some people complained in the same manner that hi-sec carebears were able to get themselves on supercarriers killmails, obviously when supercarrier killmail was "a thing".
The Revenant was legit, not created by dev-hacks, and it's up to players that own them to decide what to do with them. Group of players decided to promote their site by sacrificing one, so defenders of "true experience" just have to get over with it.
Commander Spurty
#64 - 2014-09-07 02:28:33 UTC
Hope whatever it is you're looking for transpires.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/31776088/ <-- I'm on this killmail.

Victims of your own success I guess.

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP

Devin Wallace
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2014-09-07 03:23:33 UTC
Jess Tanner wrote:
Devin Wallace wrote:
"--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------REDACTED TO PROTECT CCP'S REPUTATION----------------------------------------------------------- [/u]"


Big smile basically, CCP would have to reverse their policy to generate a kill report retroactively, and then what would they say to the hundreds of people filing support tickets on a daily basis? They would have to actually ensure that kill reports were accurately generated every time which they apparently can not or will not do. The one positive aspect is that this particular kill report had would have had at least 3,700 pilots on it and hopefully they're all quite upset that they will not receive recognition for the hours of horrendous lag they endured and make it known to CCP.



Your idea that this is fairy land where if one thing happens then it sets law for all other things that happen there after makes me laugh, almost out loud. Young boy/girl/boygirl, this is the interwebs, CCP can do whatever they want, at almost any time as they see fit, especially given the words used in the EULA, so take your fair market trade ball and go home, this is Icelandic justice as they see fit, when and if they see fit.....



P It's good to know that if you can congratulate yourself on absolutely nothing by using yellow font and launching sassy salon-girl attacks at someone's character while simultaneously having no idea what you are talking about and apparently not caring either.

Furthermore, defending CCP's amusing history of back and forth flip-flop decision making to keep players subscribing only further merits player backlash in cases such as the one currently being discussed. You accuse me of living in a fairy world meanwhile you try to rationalize the entire spectrum of bugs, lies, and disgruntled bittervets as some saturday morning cartoon "Icelandic Justice! Pirate". In fact trying to take that statement seriously made me chuckle and hope that you're actually just a brilliant troll. Or you're a bad troll. A troll either way. Blink

I hope I don't meet the worm that creates the holes,  must be immortal.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2014-09-07 03:38:53 UTC
Creamdream wrote:
There is a quit game button, you know.

Yes, I use it multiple times a day.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2014-09-07 03:42:17 UTC
mrjknyazev wrote:
Perhaps James forgot that this is just a rare ship, not limited-edition one. The more of them will get built in time (and killed), the less special the stories behind killing them will sound.

There are, according to zKillboard, only about ten of these flying around. These kills will remain very rare and far between, and each one will be special of its own accord - that is, excluding those who frivolously "donate" theirs to dumb events.

mrjknyazev wrote:
The Revenant was legit, not created by dev-hacks

The event was, however, created by dev hacks.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Devin Wallace
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2014-09-07 03:43:13 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I thought player hosted events were content creation? Not theme park game mechanics? Don't be a bitter old man my old friend. It doesn't suit you.

It's content creation of the worst kind. "Come shoot at this rare ship that I'm going to sacrifice for you, all you have to do is show up!" It cheapens the experience of killing such ships for people who do so naturally, with the tremendous amount of planning, waiting, and psychological manipulation required. Now any schlepper could just show up and effortlessly add a Revenant killmail to their board and show it off as if they actually did something to earn it. It's a ******* trophy for participation.



The ship itself being rare is only appreciated by the more experienced capsuleers who know how hard it is to grind their way up from the very bottom, but from a publicity standpoint apparently one of the largest selling points to EVE online is "record breaking amount of players in one battle!"

The TiDi and blob of nearly impossible to render polygons is the PREMIER content creation to attain in EVE, this is what every new player aspires to experience. And it's largely unenjoyed. They figure that out after the first time. The only real reason to endure the unenjoyable lagfest is to get a lollipop or a pat on the head when it's finally over in the form of a killmail or the positive feedback from allied forces. So I see what you're getting at, it wasn't a fight over Sov, a grudge match between longstanding rivals, or some other circumstance that capsuleers have a vested personal interest in, it was just a staged incident with no actual story or consequence to it. Feels cheap and pointless. We didn't even get a cookie for it.

So sad. Sad

I hope I don't meet the worm that creates the holes,  must be immortal.

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#69 - 2014-09-07 07:23:48 UTC
With above comments in mind, don't forget what the puprose of the Revenant kill was. It was part of a promotional campaign to put the eve gambling site Eve-Bet on the charts. They can do with the isk what they want, just as Goonswarm got the numbers to do whatever they want (for both, up to certain limits ofc )

Such acts are not that rare, carriers & sometimes supercarriers do meet their end at regular intervals in various staged events, usually in the form of *Come kill my capital ship!*. Have a look at the Ingame event forum & check out the first page, usually has a capital ship kill getting advertised.
These events tend to attract plenty of attention, if not for the capital kill, it sure does attract people who enjoy shooting other people.

This event attracted more attention, because it had a rare supercarrier as focal point to kill, add to it that CCP backed it up, and you get stuff like this, unbearable TiDi. Alot of the poeple knew it would happen, they still went anyway. Seriously, the moment the target system NIsuwa got announced, TiDi struck various systems across EvE, including Jita & Amarr simply on account of sheer number of ships undocking! That should have been a warning!

I do admit, TiDi battles are horrible to be part of, specially if you're new to it all. I had the 'luck' that the Revenant carrier arrived on the grid I was on, watching the fleet & TiDi buildup on grid from a first row perspective. Glad I was just reporting on the event, because just shooting in that mess would been an achievement.

Does it cheapen the experience of killing capitals (and rare ships)? Yes
Is it content creation? Yes

Not all content creation has to enrich Eve's lore & background (wether it is NPC or player lore) Albeit my preference does go out to those that do. I still rank this event higher then some of the other content creations that involve ganking defenseless ships for sport.
To elaborate, I'm fine with ships getting ganked for profit, or if the ganking operation is of such scale it obviously includes effort (burn jita) But merely getting awarded for killing the most miners? Then I rather see events like this, where actual risk is involved. Ganking miners holds barely any risk, because the ship you use is already incalculated to get lost by concord & nobody will oppose you, Risk free Pvp yay!

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#70 - 2014-09-07 07:43:10 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

The event was, however, created by dev hacks.

Would you care to explain?
Anyone can request a system reinforced if they are expecting a large fleet fight. I think 4900 people qualifies.
Someone built the Rev.
Someone flew the Rev.
A Rev can go into low sec.

Where is the Dev hackage here? I'm honestly curious exactly how CCP 'cheated' the game to make this event happen, as far as I know the only thing they did was reinforce the node and watch it in person.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#71 - 2014-09-07 08:08:18 UTC
Oh, what's this in my breakfast platter?

(takes a sip)

Mmmh, PvP tears! Tasty! Lol

Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#72 - 2014-09-07 08:42:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Eugene Kerner
This is the funniest thread since months. So much carebear rage because of a free kill in a promotion event.
It is like people went to a porn convention and participated in an attempt by Sacha Grey to break the world record by giving head to 4000 guys in a row and everyone wants a photo as proof for their buddies.

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Eve-Bet One
Perkone
Caldari State
#73 - 2014-09-07 11:47:01 UTC
Hi Ladies and Gents,

Firstly, on behalf of Eve-bet.com, thankyou to everyone who participated in the Event. There was Tidi, Tears and in the end, a dead Revenant.

Also, thankyou for being patient with us while we see what can be done about the Kill Mail. We want to give some time to CCP to see if they can do anything. However, with 4800+ people in local...we're firmly in the experimental and the record books!

The pod mail was generated, and 5 PLEX have already been contracted to Manic M1ner for getting the final blow. We have 45 more PLEX that we will be giving out. At this stage, the Revenant KM has not been generated. Absolute worst case, we have the combat logs from the event (over 35000 lines), and we will generate some fair method of giving out the remaining 45 PLEX. I am not sure what that will be, but the process will be completely transparent.


Thankyou again for participating.


Cheers,
Eve-Bet One

P.S. Alliance Tournament XII Finals start in a little over 3 hours! Come place your wager at http://eve-bet.com
Master Penken
#74 - 2014-09-07 14:54:29 UTC
Eve-Bet One wrote:
I am not sure what that will be, but the process will be completely transparent.

This is what all politicians say and never do.

Never.

Death is the ugly fact which Nature has to hide, and she hides it well.

Kaiia Gavlas Thessia
Ravens' Nest
#75 - 2014-09-07 15:51:39 UTC
who cares?

Maybe this will discourage people from doing public events, as they are stupid and suck regions dry for a ti-di farce.

I'd be more impressed with the winner of a frigate 1v1 than a guy who killed a "public event" super.

RAVENS' NEST - Bringing the Dread Bomb Back

Master Penken
#76 - 2014-09-07 16:22:57 UTC
Kaiia Gavlas Thessia wrote:
who cares?

Maybe this will discourage people from doing public events, as they are stupid and suck regions dry for a ti-di farce.

I'd be more impressed with the winner of a frigate 1v1 than a guy who killed a "public event" super.

If there's no killmail then it didn't die.

Death is the ugly fact which Nature has to hide, and she hides it well.

Felicity Love
Doomheim
#77 - 2014-09-07 20:27:28 UTC
... waves hands back and forth... 'Don't lick frogs again. There's no such thing as giant turds in space'.

Roll

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#78 - 2014-09-07 20:56:46 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
... waves hands back and forth... 'Don't lick frogs again. There's no such thing as giant turds in space'.

Roll

I don't knew w about that, iv met some capsulier's that would fall under that description.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2014-09-07 21:01:27 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

The event was, however, created by dev hacks.

Would you care to explain?
Anyone can request a system reinforced if they are expecting a large fleet fight. I think 4900 people qualifies.
Someone built the Rev.
Someone flew the Rev.
A Rev can go into low sec.

Where is the Dev hackage here? I'm honestly curious exactly how CCP 'cheated' the game to make this event happen, as far as I know the only thing they did was reinforce the node and watch it in person.

The ship was moved into an incursion system by devs, and correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it also placed in station?

My assumption on the latter is based on them having done exactly that before, with Marlona Sky's Nyx.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2014-09-08 03:42:40 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

The event was, however, created by dev hacks.

Would you care to explain?
Anyone can request a system reinforced if they are expecting a large fleet fight. I think 4900 people qualifies.
Someone built the Rev.
Someone flew the Rev.
A Rev can go into low sec.

Where is the Dev hackage here? I'm honestly curious exactly how CCP 'cheated' the game to make this event happen, as far as I know the only thing they did was reinforce the node and watch it in person.

The ship was moved into an incursion system by devs, and correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it also placed in station?

My assumption on the latter is based on them having done exactly that before, with Marlona Sky's Nyx.


It was not an Incursion system, and it did not undock. It cyno'd in and warped to a Large compound where 4800 people dogpiled on it and shot eachother, as well.
You clearly weren't there.

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