EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

HTFU, can I have you're stuff etc etc? LOL

yes, good luck to The Afterlife . The Afterlife did nothing wrong.

They deserve at the very least, an explenation of the events announced during the tournament tomorrow, refund of tourney fee, free spot next year, and any prizes they would have recieved if they had won that match.
All imaginary or free items.

Wow.

Maybe when instructed otherwise a boxer should punch himself in the face before a bout just to check that they are capable of applying damage in the ring once the match starts?

As a viewer watching the stream it was clear from the offset that something was wrong.

The node being reset right before that match and the problems encountered during, and then they delay afterwards before the next match - are surely no coincidence.

I can imagine Shadow Cartel put alot of work and effort into what is meant to be a spectacle for CCP. Every team that participates would expect CCP to provide a level playing field. Clearly this wasn't the case today.

Players having their time spent annulled or disadvantaged by server side issues and then being presented with logical fallacies as validation for what occured, i can only assume must feel like a slap in the face and insulting from a company with a proven track record of saying the logs show nothing.

so if you participate in the AT a player has to go through a QA check list and check if the game is working as it should before the match starts?

Ok in general that sounds good but I think the issues today seem to have exceeded the scope of this rule. Just a few thoughts on this:

1. CCP you need to have something in place to "review" a match that obviously had glitches and issues through out the match. I can understand not stopping the match but at the end there should have been a "hold" on the results and a review by the ref's. I don't think any team would be upset at that in the least. This is one of "your" biggest events every year and you must have systems in place to deal with it other then just "pressing on" and quoting some rule.

2. How do you "pre-check" a glitch that does not let someone see damage until it's in structure? How do the logi pilots "check this"... And I find further issue with the fact we can't seem to determine what a pre weapons check would entail. Should they have put the other ships into structure to find the damage issues? Maybe they cycled there mod's once but unless you actively get into a fight with your team mates I am not sure they could have uncovered this. Also if they could not have launched drones how would they have discovered that. The problem is I don't believe there is a "standard" established pre-check and as such it leaves to much open to way to much room for debate. Imagine your a pilot about to enter the tourney and what they are prepping for and all the ways this rule seems to be interpreted and what would you think?

3. It also seems that things were not so balanced. One team was more logi reliant then others and as such the damage issue does seem to make it more one sided and in favor of one over the other. On the surface this does not seem to have been a fair fight on many levels.

4. It feels like you "CCP" are blaming the players for what was a problem with your system by saying they should have noticed what was wrong with "your" system and told you....................

5. My hat's off to the two teams for how they have acted. The level of sportsmanship displayed by the team who lost is something I hope we could all display in a similar circumstance. That being said they put a lot of their time and money into preparing for this event and to me it seems they did not get a "fair shot"....While that is not the fault of the team that won I do feel the team who lost should not leave empty handed.

6. CCP we love your game and all the work you do but this does not pass the smell test here and as the AT is one of "your" biggest sponsored events you put on for "us" I would hope that maybe you take another look at this and the response you have given so far.



EDIT: While I was typing my wall-o-text CCP posted the above response including some form of compensation to the teams involved. Good job CCP and thank you for admitting that even you may not have discovered the issue in a "pre-check". I think had this been the response from the beginning then I think the issue would have been much less controversial. As said above it felt like CCP was placing the blame on the team for not finding what was wrong with your system. Anyways, thanks for the follow up and while I still think this is not a "fair" outcome as the issues did imbalance the results I do understand that maybe there is nothing that can be done at this point and at least the team got their PLEX back. I do think CCP should look at a "instant review" type mechanic for the future to prevent this.

Once teams warp onto the field they are not allowed to move, activate modules or drop drones. Veritas is talking about the period of time after teleportation but before warping.

Since this appears to be an area where there is some confusion I'll look into adding some lines to the rules to make it more clear in the future.

how about a few prize ships?

I would like to understand how it is "not an option" to replay a match, that seems like something everyone on stream would be willing to wait around for and wouldn't push the day's schedule back more than the random technical issues do almost every day of the AT stream. ( considering the final match on any given AT weekend ends about 1 1/2 to 2 hours later than initially expected anyways)

Technical mistakes are made all the time, that doesn't mean that CCP or the teams should have to suffer bc of them. And its not as if people really care as long as the teams are all given a fair chance to participate.

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Well, I have to withdraw my concerns. It does suck this happened, but CCP has responded and backed off the whole "blame the victim schtick" they originally were pressing.

I do concur with other posters, replay may have been a possibility or halting play in mid-stream, but I also understand that there were likely a lot of dynamics involved in trying to reimburse players, avoid the problem of knowing the opposing teams fits, and then trying to restart a match. There are some programming issues here I am sure that just cannot be resolved with a double click.

I am glad they refunded entry fees, that was a good move.