EVE General Discussion

You quote the post to backup your snarky reply, yet still have failed to explain why a vexor can out dps a thorax. Typical GD posting, ignore the substance and move right on to snarky replies, you've got it to an art I see.

oh, ok.

do tell me how a vexor can outdps a thorax, oh kemosabe.


edit: of course a vexor can outdamage a thorax. After all, I need to use electrons on the thorax if I even think about slapping anything but damage mods and a prop mod.

thing is tho, I can destroy 80% of the damage output of a vexor.
and relatively easy too.

Hah. very nice edit there, you got there just in time. Eve search tells the true story.

The Vexor will still out damage the thorax btw even if both are fitted with heavy neutron blasters overheated. Obviously this means the thorax will have no tank due to PG, so in reality the thorax does a lot less.

it's still destrucrable DPS, and the usual vexor setups don't fit med guns, usually.

which means that vexor main dps comes from, at most, 3 heavy/sentry drones that can be destroyed.
thorax drone bay, however, can be used as utility, that means it can pack an ECM drone flight, coupled with a light drone flight.


this is, however, a big conjugation of "what if's", both from me and your part. For usability's sake, the vexor is better off going with med drones instead heavies, since it suffers much less if 1 goes pop (loses 20% of main weapon's DPS instead 33%), and it can pack a full second flight of them + a light drone flight, together with energy neuts and other offensive utility mods in the highslots.
As for the thorax, it is more geared for direct dps, something that the vexor cannot outcome due to simply having 1 turret less, so it's a ship that I trust more to get inside web ranges and apply the damage there.


In all this drone conudrum I can agree on one thing and one thing only: ishtars coupled with sentries are very, very powerful, and it's much more the product of a combination of factors and much less the fact that the hull is good or the drones are good. Work on these factors first and not on the drones.
Even then, as said before, and from personal experience, there are ways to go around it, yet people prefer to complain to CCP instead engaging brain. Nothing new here tho.

Also, complaining about gilas when the only issue with them is the geckos, is the wrong way to approach the issue.



While there is merit here, that is still thinking as each clash in a battle as a singular, contained engagement (akin to AT), while such type of engagements very rarely happen on "real life". Too many variables prevent this, together with group-based effort. This is why there are doctrine fleets, and the "good" kitchen-sink fleets obey certain guidelines as far as setups go. There is also the case where you can delegate drone wetwork to one or two fleet members outfitted just for that. While direct DPS might suffer a bit, survivability increases in the long run. It works. I've been doing such thing lately in my alliance with good results.

Sure I can force the opposing fleet to flee and not kill it, but forcing a force to leave the field is a win in my book, specially if they left behind 50%+ of their firepower.


Anyways, my point is: stop thinking in the box and stop ignoring the box if thinking out of the box.
think out of the box while looking at the box itself.

CCP, please buff drones with GoPro cameras so we can do awesome YouTube videos. Thank you!

I do sometimes wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to require a module to enable the ability to be passed control of others drones... because lets face it controlling someone elses drones should use bandwidth just like controlling your own.

This would then require people to plan ahead who would receive control of all their drones as they would need to fit specifically to be able to do so.

It would leave the mechanic (and related strategies) in place, which is good... it would just narrow the scope of it a bit.

But that's probably been suggested before.

you've only been using one drone?

Have you ever tried to kill drones with stealth bombers? That really won't work at all in 99% of situations.

I'm not calling for a nerf per say, but more that drones should be bought into line with the other primary weapon systems. I don't mind drones being buffed, but I think drone bonuses should be restricted to the specific class of ship.

The only reason the vexor can out dps the thorax, which is the example I was trying to push as it very clearly illustrates the balance being of of whack, is because its bonuses apply to heavy drones. If its bonus only applied to medium drones, it'd still be a very good ship, but it's dps would drop slightly below that of the Thorax which is where it should be.

I actually think CCP might be pushing that as a future solution with the changes to the Guristas ships. They've used pirate ships as a test before for the marauders.

Drone bonuses aren't currently restricted to any specific class of drone. The only ship line where this applies somewhat is to the Gurista ships due to the bandwidth restrictions. If a vexor/Ishtar/VNI bonuses applied to medium drones, then I'd be fine with buffing drones slightly more.

I think one of the big problems with drone boats right now is that they simply do too much dps. If your main weapons system is drones and you do so much dps with them that you don't care at all about not fitting supplemental guns and can go for all out neuts/RR/etc, then they are simply doing too much. And if you do decide to supplement your drones with guns (on hulls like the Vexor, NVexor, etc.) you get ludicrous potential dps. Drone damage should be low enough that hulls need to supplement the damage with their highslots in order to have good dps or if they don't, have decent dps at best, especially since they can field bonused damage of different classes (lights/mediums/heavies).