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BEST SHIP FOR LVL4

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SLICK Shiyurida
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-12-09 10:05:13 UTC
looking to do my missions as quick as pos.I have 3 accounts 2 using a nighthawk and one to clean up the field. Is there anything i could buy to Complete the missions quicker?

Golem, Nightmare ect.........

Thanks for any posts Smile
Goose99
#2 - 2011-12-09 16:02:05 UTC
NM for Amar rats, Mach for everything else.
Spineker
#3 - 2011-12-09 17:50:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
Two tengus beat out everything, warp faster, move faster, fire faster, has dedicated damage ammo. I find the mach ammo lacks a good deal against Kinetic rats compared to Furies, EMP L just rapes Sansha and Blood though

But more importantly if you are flying Nighthawk you already have the missile skills. Unless you have Projectile Large V Tengu all the way.


And just to be different Pirate
Goose99
#4 - 2011-12-09 18:05:00 UTC
Spineker wrote:
Two tengus beat out everything, warp faster, move faster, fire faster, has dedicated damage ammo. I find the mach ammo lacks a good deal against Kinetic rats compared to Furies, EMP L just rapes Sansha and Blood though

But more importantly if you are flying Nighthawk you already have the missile skills. Unless you have Projectile Large V Tengu all the way.


And just to be different Pirate


Mach does 1.2k dps against all rats, 75km, 100km available with barrage, but only usable for Minmatar rats due to dmg type. Tengu does 700 dps kinetic, 500 dps non-kinetic, 100 km. Projectile ammo for kinetic is kin/therm mix, which matches primary/secondary resist weakness. It's tengu dps against non-kinetic rats that are luckluster.
stoicfaux
#5 - 2011-12-09 18:21:26 UTC
Easiest upgrade from the Nighthawks would be Tengus. Otherwise, get a Mach and a Domi and slave the Domi's sentries to the Mach and just blow everything up. I doubt it would be much fun trying to manage target switching with two Machs/Nightmares/Vargurs given how fast they kill things.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Spineker
#6 - 2011-12-09 19:47:10 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Spineker wrote:
Two tengus beat out everything, warp faster, move faster, fire faster, has dedicated damage ammo. I find the mach ammo lacks a good deal against Kinetic rats compared to Furies, EMP L just rapes Sansha and Blood though

But more importantly if you are flying Nighthawk you already have the missile skills. Unless you have Projectile Large V Tengu all the way.


And just to be different Pirate


Mach does 1.2k dps against all rats, 75km, 100km available with barrage, but only usable for Minmatar rats due to dmg type. Tengu does 700 dps kinetic, 500 dps non-kinetic, 100 km. Projectile ammo for kinetic is kin/therm mix, which matches primary/secondary resist weakness. It's tengu dps against non-kinetic rats that are luckluster.



All true well I can't get 1200 dps out of a mach not yet anyway even counting in my Ogre IIs.... Maybe if I made a clone with +5 damage and used Hail I might reach that high with drones.


When I do run the Mach at the moment I can still finish missions quicker with 2 tengus than the Mach and Tengu. If I ever get the gun skills up maybe I will run it full time. But 9 million in gun skills and still training. Of course I have T2 Large Hybrids both branches still working on Projectile.

I get 767dps from my tengu with kinetic fury that is almost the max and I don't care to train for the other 20 dps or whatever.
Goose99
#7 - 2011-12-09 20:31:08 UTC
Spineker wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Spineker wrote:
Two tengus beat out everything, warp faster, move faster, fire faster, has dedicated damage ammo. I find the mach ammo lacks a good deal against Kinetic rats compared to Furies, EMP L just rapes Sansha and Blood though

But more importantly if you are flying Nighthawk you already have the missile skills. Unless you have Projectile Large V Tengu all the way.


And just to be different Pirate


Mach does 1.2k dps against all rats, 75km, 100km available with barrage, but only usable for Minmatar rats due to dmg type. Tengu does 700 dps kinetic, 500 dps non-kinetic, 100 km. Projectile ammo for kinetic is kin/therm mix, which matches primary/secondary resist weakness. It's tengu dps against non-kinetic rats that are luckluster.



All true well I can't get 1200 dps out of a mach not yet anyway even counting in my Ogre IIs.... Maybe if I made a clone with +5 damage and used Hail I might reach that high with drones.


When I do run the Mach at the moment I can still finish missions quicker with 2 tengus than the Mach and Tengu. If I ever get the gun skills up maybe I will run it full time. But 9 million in gun skills and still training. Of course I have T2 Large Hybrids both branches still working on Projectile.

I get 767dps from my tengu with kinetic fury that is almost the max and I don't care to train for the other 20 dps or whatever.


Mach should get over 1200 dps with 5x med drones, with no implants. 5x heavy/sentries does 1400 dps on paper, but are no good in practice, as 125m dronebay doesn't leave room for a flight of light/med drones if any frig rats get into orbit.

Tengu is better with faction scourage than scourage fury. It has no dronebay, shoots hml at frigs, and fury has almost double exp radius as cn. With full set of 5% hardwirings, it should push above 800 dps with faction scourage. Dps with non-kinetic sucks no matter what, it's a lost cause.
DemetRYS
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-12-09 20:37:34 UTC
Nobody mentioned the Stabber 'Recon Issue,' yet. Oops
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#9 - 2011-12-09 23:43:33 UTC
DO NOT get a mach. Yes it has awesome dps and yes it wil finish missions faster solo but when you are running three accounts together and when you have skills for a NH, tengu is the only choice.

2 tengus will make your life easier. you can get 840+ dps with implants and t2 scourge missiles, good damage projection, no micro managing - just orbit the gate in each room and go to town on the npcs.

But 2 machs when they can finish missions faster (not a whole lot) you cannot control them to be effective enough. And you are used to missiles, take it from me ( i run missions in paladin + tengu, recently got a mach for 3rd acc ) once you are used to missiles all other weapons will seem like too much effort.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#10 - 2011-12-10 01:16:46 UTC
Tengu.

Everything else becomes too much like work after that.

Ni.
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-12-10 01:18:37 UTC
Best ship always is your pod with a decent hull surrounded. Fot all purposes.
Vrykolakasis
Sparrowhawks Corp
#12 - 2011-12-10 01:25:49 UTC
Mach is good
NM is good
Vargur is good
Golem is good
Paladin is good
Multi-tengus are good (I assume... those I haven't actually seen in action)
Some others are good - but certainly not all.

What looks prettiest / you have the best skills for / fits the play style you like really determines which to use.

Someone should also do a pay analysis - it seems to me that dualboxing and flying two pilots in separate missions with separate agents will be more profitable than using both pilots together in one mission. Am I wrong?
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#13 - 2011-12-10 04:12:11 UTC
The Mach is king if you run 4 sentries and the right ammo, w/5 lights just in case. It can run some missions faster than a tengu, and the remaining missions as fast as a tengu if you fit it well and use the correct methodology while missioning.

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Spineker
#14 - 2011-12-10 04:41:55 UTC
nah just can't buy that the Mach is better. Tried again too much work and drones are a waste of time. Totally wasted pirate invasion every ship in the mission with tengus in recordtime one shield booster running killed everything out to 115 km
I likegirls
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort
Deepwater Hooligans
#15 - 2011-12-10 04:43:01 UTC
Kaanchana wrote:
once you are used to missiles all other weapons will seem like too much effort.


How did you come to that conclusion? Turret boats you just click F1 at anything in range and kill frigs with drones or when they have no transversal. Missiles also have to be in range, but also can easily fire 1-2 extra volleys if you are not paying close attention.
Kesshisan
#16 - 2011-12-10 04:58:07 UTC
"Best" can mean many things.

The following list is just my opinion:

Fastest completion of L4s: Machariel
Safest while AFKing: Rattlesnake (Honourable mention to Ishtar, Dominix & Gila here)
Most tanky: Rattlesnake
Easiest* to fly: Tengu
Most isk efficient: Dominix / Raven
Most SP efficient: Raven Navy Issue

"*Easiest" means you rarely need to ever change your strategies. Enter mission, orbit something, shoot webbers first, shoot everything else second, collect isk.
Pryvate Pile
Doomheim
#17 - 2011-12-10 06:20:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Pryvate Pile
I actually fly a raven now just to fap to the new look. Shocked
Beta Stryker
Yet Another Holding Corporation
#18 - 2011-12-10 21:12:06 UTC
Vrykolakasis wrote:

Multi-tengus are good (I assume... those I haven't actually seen in action)


Multi-tengu is just silly. You end up killing crap so fast that ya, it turns into work to manage both accounts.
Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer
#19 - 2011-12-10 21:25:31 UTC
I'd say Rattlesnake + Tengu
Goose99
#20 - 2011-12-10 22:47:15 UTC
Beta Stryker wrote:
Vrykolakasis wrote:

Multi-tengus are good (I assume... those I haven't actually seen in action)


Multi-tengu is just silly. You end up killing crap so fast that ya, it turns into work to manage both accounts.


Counting missile volleys on both accounts at the same time, lol. It's harder to do than turning on guns on both accounts when rats pop. With 2 tengus (tengi?) you get the same dps as one Mach if on kinetic rats. 3 for non kinetic dps.Lol
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