EVE General Discussion

If we imagine that we could find another pilot with an exactly identical level of awfulness as yourself (seems unlikely I know), with the mere exception that by some miracle of random button mashing he'd actually trained his character properly. You're both flying equally appalling cripple fits. He wins. Above 60m SP thermo, nav supports,weapon supports at 5 are basic, basic, basic.

Also: catastrofuck: 42 times worse than catastrophe.

This thread amuses me in that there is encouragement for sub 1 million pilots to get involved and be useful in PvP, while on the other hand, people are quibbling about how a 149M SP pilot didn't skill up from IV to V in a few areas.

I dunno. Being so behind in SP doesn't bother me at all since ultimately, number of pilots on each side will be the great equalizer.

I've done extensive research on this subject. I wish I could share the reports and research methods, but then at least 3 governments will have to kill me. After a very intense day of lobbying (and the occasional threat of releasing photo's), I have gained permission to disclose the exact number of SP to be useful in PvP:

135 296 114

So that's a little over 135 million. Which isn't that bad right?

I fully understand this information is a bit incomplete without the allocation of said skillpoints. I'm fully confident you will be able to determine that yourself. I've went to great trouble for the number already. You do the rest ok?

At this point it seems to be an issue of preference between total specialization, leveraging every possible % bonus one can get, or being adaptable and a little bit behind the absolute specialist, but able to do a ton of other things in the game.

For now I'm liking the sound of adaptability, but you never know, I may change my mind. Actually at this point it doesn't apply to me at all, I'm still working on T2 drones. Ask me which I prefer in a couple of years .

No. I just used maths and didn't cherry-pick the variables or arbitrarily held them as constants.

Curses! I was off by 1% on how much her missile supports were holding her back

Wut? Mate, for one, you'd not have been able to stop me. I fly what I want, and I encourage newbies to fly what they want too. Because I want them to enjoy themselves, above all else, I give them advice on where best to start, how to make goals for themselves based on what they want, and what routes they might take. Not letting someone fly something in a video game?

Someone DID try this on me once. I went and got in a Navy Domi and got it intentionally blown up by wartargets to mess up the war report. After that, they kicked me, and a friend I'd made in that corporation, who turned out to be a spai, decided I was cool and together, we sacked their wormhole, and we've been mates ever since. In fact, whenever we fly together, we've never been beaten. Just the two of us.

And I've been PVP'ing in whatever I want ever since. I don't have T2 medium or large guns trained. Guess what? I was killing **** in a blaster Hype for weeks.

And guess what? I only have High Speed Maneuvering to level 4.

You know what the problem is with encouraging PVP attitudes in this game is? It isn't the cost, it's the 'restrictions' that people like yourself make up for it. That's what it is.

I'm being frumpy again and it's your fault for making me read this. I'm going to bed.

You showed up in a rook?

So one of two things happen,

No **** that one thing happens

You end up spending the entire night fapping to your station spinning rook because aint no one got time to bother idiots in rooks.

Amazing things are out and about, people building immaculate sand castles with great intricate works of art, and there you are in the corner eating sand with a poopie sitting on a disheveled pile of sand.

A lone scout enters the system and begins to scan your system for an interesting target. Your senses heighten you grab your poopie clenched with all the love in the world, sand laced with drool drips onto your bib, you charge out announcing your desires "poopies!".

The scanner is taken back, whats this a rook? He alerts the FC of the small gang holding back, "I've...I've got a rook on scan...should a probe it?"

"Whats that? System is empty lets move on" Says the FC, his ear well trained to ignore stupid responses from the scout

You desperately charge forth, well hobble cause in youre in a ******* rook, arms held out friend still clenched onto your space castle decoration. But alas you have no friends tonight.

And lo the system is empty, none seemed fit to engage you in honourable ecm battal.

You decide to strike it out on your own in search of new play things, firmly affixing your castle decor on your forehead.


System after system goes by, you happen to run across two castle builders duking it out in a belt, you intend to join them and help. You land on the field.

Upon seeing your sand and poopie encrusted fingers reaching to touch their castle, they scream in terror. Their screams are matched only by your battal cry "POOPIESSSSS", they instinctively instantly warp off both swearing that the other had invited their slow alt friend to ruin perfectly good pvp.

You march on friendless and castleless.

Until finally happen upon another lone sole, an equal you sense. And so as great castles are erected around you, the two of you are content to attempt to out jam the other in rooks.

Fearing that the sand box might become tainted with rooks bigger things are afoot. No one tolerates pooping in a sand box for long and a fleet is assembled to protect the ecosystem of gudfites.

Your challenge has finally be heeded a new threat appears on the field, you jam it fire missiles that seem to do nothing because you know **** how missile damage application works. It is at this time you begin to notice that local has spiked. You throw your hands in the air to magically transform into a more greenish tint of a sand box poopie, but alas you are alpha'd off the field before finishing your transformation. (because **** rooks)

You return to us here on the eve forums to alert us of how pvp is being ruined by blobbing, still clad and rank with your sand box poo.

And thats great! I've never once said that you can't pvp from day one. My corp was built on teaching day 1 pilots to pvp and be effective members of our group and tactics. We aren't active anymore granted but I've trained personally dozens of pilots to do so. You didn't like your system and instead of quitting eve you went out and made your own content in a very eve way. Thats what is great about eve.

All that I ask is that you understand that there are indeed restrictions to certain types of fleets, some times if you want to fly a certain fleets simple things like HSM need to have V's or else you could get other people killed and no one wants that. But I'm guessing you don't fly those fleets and arent interested in that content anyways. So as a result whenever you reach 150m sp please dont jump on like Tippia did and tell people about how V'ing skills is pointless when many fleet comps can live and die by those V's. We have our content too and sometimes it is skill point demanding. We would eagerly engage fleets in the hundreds with a dozen pilots and to do that things needed to be done on a skill point level or else we'd lose a pilot or two and have to gtfo because we couldn't break tanks.

Skillpoints can open up entire new worlds to you, I encourage play with eft and go lose some ships trying different styles and maybe you too might see ways that skill that dont benefit you now could in the future with different things. But more importantly go have fun and enjoy your ishkur.

For some people the best way to learn is by trial and error.

Love it, cheers Remiel