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When PLEX hits belief - Serenity is dying, next, Tranquility?

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2014-09-06 12:21:00 UTC
embrel wrote:


Guess the same was said in court too here and there.


Here come the internet lawyers.

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#82 - 2014-09-06 12:24:24 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I'm shopping in Jita right now on my alt and, I have to say, I'm not concerned about PLEX prices. What I really want to know is...

*tinfoil on*

Why are goons causing such a price hike in meta 4 dcus? I mean, back in February, I was buying them for 7 mil a piece. Now, I'm looking at 11-11.5 mil. WHAT IS THIS PURE TRAVESTY!!! If you were to tell me that this is the reason for the world going to hell in a handbasket, I'd almost believe you save for the fact that the world won't fit in a handbasket.

*tinfoil o..... wait, actually, this is kinda comfy, never mind*


Speculationings is fun no matter how you read the tea leaves and a lot of Meta 4 are vanishing. They may or may not get price spiked but they are being purchased from the sell orders when ever a large stack shows up. Not sure what the reason. I have stacks and stacks of any Meta 4 I actually use. DCU's? I bought 1500 T2 a long time ago, I still have most of them. Theya re pretty cheap and easy to fit, the cornering of those is confusing.
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#83 - 2014-09-06 12:38:37 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Tippia wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
You and you sorry clownstroupe are no danger for me and my alts. But what really disgusts me is, when you anoy (for me harras) for hours systematically. thats a strange kind of fun. asocial behavior one might say.

How is it asocial of him to want to play with you, but not of you to only want to play with yourself?


As where did i say i don't play with others?

Better: He and his buddies don't care playing with me even when i am ice mining in certain systems. They go for the weakest inexperienced and anoy (harras) them for hours.
thats not playing eve. thats not protecting eve. thats griefplay.

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Wookie 1
#84 - 2014-09-06 12:40:55 UTC
To try and get this particular train back on the tracks.

From what I understand OP is saying, that PLEX prices are soaring, too high in ISk, and that there is a risk, much as he says happened in China, where PvE stops being a realistic career path, because it just easier and cheaper to buy a PLEX with real money and get a free 700 million - Billion, etc. He further suggests that as a result of the overheated PLEX market on Serenity that all industrial jobs have been taken over by bots due to a lack of 'people' who wish to do them for such little reward.

I think he is suggesting that the terrible inflationary pressures that you can see in EVE across the past few years particularly in the value of a plex will eventually cause this tapering off of industrial, mining, missioning and other money making activites as it becomes simpler to just buy or sell a PLEX to fund one's habits and subs.

I don't know if this is actually true. Just trying to explain what he was saying.
O'nira
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#85 - 2014-09-06 13:11:45 UTC
while i think eve is on a bit of a downward slope right now it is by no means dying for years to come at least
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#86 - 2014-09-06 13:16:51 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
As where did i say i don't play with others?
You didn't — after all, he's playing with you, which means you're playing with him, which was the nature of the entire complaint.
What you mentioned was that you were playing with yourself, and you describe playing with him as disgusting, annoying, and asocial. Neither of the labels make sense.

embrel wrote:
Guess the same was said in court too here and there.

How can she be so asocial not to want to play with big bad man??
Not really, no. After all, she's not blaming the man for being asocial…
Beta Maoye
#87 - 2014-09-06 13:23:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Beta Maoye
It is not about the price of PLEX. It is the 24/7 ratting and mining bots drive away real human players. Bots are so efficient that velocity of isk inflow is much faster that actual human players can make. Isk becomes cheaper in terms of effort and time that needed to acquire. Large supply of "cheap" isk flood the market makes everthing expensive including PLEX. Some of these excessive isk went into speculation of item prices getting the problem worse. One or more particular items in the market were bought up to corner the market and resell at double or more the normal price. That makes the life of actual human players difficult. Eventually those without bot supports will either quit or sell plex for a living. Those with bot supports will be at the top of the food chain. In time, more and more players will quit because they think the game is unfair and beyond their tolerance.

I think any game operator must fight ruthless against bots for the long term benefit of their games. One of the possible moral hazards is that an agent that do not own the game may have the incentive to loosen up the bot/rmt rules of game for fast short-term benefits. That will certainly ruin the game in long term.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#88 - 2014-09-06 13:31:54 UTC
Beta Maoye wrote:
It is not about the price of PLEX. It is the 24/7 ratting and mining bots drive away real human players. Bots are so efficient that velocity of isk inflow is much faster that actual human players can make. Isk becomes cheaper in terms of effort and time that needed to acquire. Large supply of "cheap" isk flood the market makes everthing expensive including PLEX. Some of these excessive isk went into speculation of item prices getting the problem worse. One or more particular items in the market were bought up to corner the market and resell at double or more the normal price. That makes the life of actual human players difficult. Eventually those without bot supports will either quit or sell plex for a living. Those with bot supports will be at the top of the food chain. In time, more and more players will quit because they think the game is unfair and beyond their tolerance.

I think any game operator must fight ruthless against bots for the long term benefit of their games. One of the possible moral hazards is that an agent that do not own the game may have the incentive to loosen up the bot/rmt rules of game for fast short-term benefits. That will certainly ruin the game in long term.


I like your logic there. I have shitloads more isk than you, therefore I must bot.

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Victor Andall
#89 - 2014-09-06 13:37:14 UTC
Jooo Audeles wrote:
Victor Andall wrote:
Could you give us a source for your " it seems that active players hit a new bottom in both servers"?



you can check the data on eve-offline
Currently online: 32,071 Health: ok
Max (24h): 36,341 (2014-09-04 18:57:48) Version: 8.47.823475 - EVE-TRANQUILITY@ccp
Current record: 65,303 (2013-05-05 19:09:04) IP: 87.237.38.200
I log in TRANQUILITY almost everyday, and I remember that,last year I can always find the active pilot above 40K, but only 30K this year.

Currently online: 6,017 Health: ok
Max (24h): 11,716 (2014-09-05 14:05:16) Version: 8.44.801295 - EVE-SERENITY@optic
Current record: 42,170 (2012-08-23 13:28:36) IP: 211.144.214.68

If you look at the All time (weekly average), you will find the decrease of population in both server,
Serenity since 2012, the 3rd "re-born"
and TRANQUILITY since 2014-2, reach a new bottom since almost 2011


"Active players" is not defined by the number of players online when you last logged in. The number of EVE active subscribers has been steadily rising since 2003. That people in your timezone have stopped playing as much during the summer says nothing about the state of the game.

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

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Beta Maoye
#90 - 2014-09-06 13:41:33 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:

I like your logic there. I have shitloads more isk than you, therefore I must bot.


Surely one can make tons of isk in many legitimate ways. My argument is none of your concern if you are not "bots".
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#91 - 2014-09-06 13:45:21 UTC
Beta Maoye wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

I like your logic there. I have shitloads more isk than you, therefore I must bot.


Surely one can make tons of isk in many legitimate ways. My argument is none of your concern if you are not "bots".


Maybe you should reword the entire post then, because you blatantly said that bots are at the top of the food chain & people who don't bot will quit. Some citation for literally everything you're saying would help too.

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Myles Wong
The One's Who Matter
#92 - 2014-09-06 13:45:49 UTC
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#93 - 2014-09-06 13:48:02 UTC
Myles Wong wrote:
Spacepoor people go home!

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Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#94 - 2014-09-06 13:53:52 UTC
I have a better idea...

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Beta Maoye
#95 - 2014-09-06 13:58:56 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:

Maybe you should reword the entire post then, because you blatantly said that bots are at the top of the food chain & people who don't bot will quit. Some citation for literally everything you're saying would help too.


Sorry for my poor wordings. It is a hypothesis of extreme case. It is not by any means reflect the the actual status of the game.
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#96 - 2014-09-06 17:20:24 UTC
Tippia wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
As where did i say i don't play with others?
You didn't — after all, he's playing with you, which means you're playing with him, which was the nature of the entire complaint.
What you mentioned was that you were playing with yourself, and you describe playing with him as disgusting, annoying, and asocial. Neither of the labels make sense.

embrel wrote:
Guess the same was said in court too here and there.

How can she be so asocial not to want to play with big bad man??
Not really, no. After all, she's not blaming the man for being asocial…


I see you have problems to get things straight.
others get the meaning, so i suggest you try reading again.

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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#97 - 2014-09-06 18:42:16 UTC
The #1 Issue that keeps people raging seems to be the price of PLEX. I have spoken with a number of individuals who feel they have a RIGHT TO PLEX, which to me seems a bit irrational. PLEX were introduced as a BONUS, not as a subsistence tool. If anything the price of PLEX extending beyond the means of the sloth and incapable is a GOOD thing.


The Competitive market of EVE is a major draw for new players, and helps retain existing players through player generated intrigue and drama.


EVE's market is incredibly healthy and the ever increasing price of PLEX is evidence of this:

Healthy customers compete against one another for PLEX, competition drives innovation. innovation drives profits empowering the customer to pay more than their competitors for needed goods.


When the price of PLEX goes up, EVE is HEALTHY

When the price of PLEX goes down, EVE IS DYING.

I for one don't want to see EVE die anytime soon, we should all celebrate the spirit of competition and be proud to spend our ISK on PLEX.

Now with 100% less Troll.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#98 - 2014-09-06 19:53:25 UTC
So, from what I'm getting here; all the bots on Serenity are going to move to Tranquility, and take over. While plex prices are so ridiculously high because of speculation/investment purchasing, that is all going to change to oversupply of isk due to this huge influx of chinese bots.

Whelp, I guess that confirms it, EVE IS DYING, BETTER UNSUB MY ACCOUNTS.
Vyl Vit
#99 - 2014-09-06 21:40:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
This is so funny. What games people will dream up sitting in a sandbox! PLEX farming by bots in an endless loop. Imagine that. It's a [deleted nationality reference here]'s DREAM! Imagine sitting at a bar drinking [deleted drink reference that might be a nationality reference here] and knowing all your bots are busy playing EVE for you while you get drunk and ogle topless women on poles! It's breathtaking in its scope! However, death does not seem imminent.

Your world economies are spiraling out of control. The values of your currencies are in radical fluctuation, and their worth is in serious question, and you want a video game's economy to be pristine. That is even funnier than the above scenario.

I'm certainly glad I lived long enough to see all this, and especially to see the OP's diatribe.
20 years ago no one would believe it.

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#100 - 2014-09-08 14:52:15 UTC
Yeah. I'm not surprised. At all.