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WIS - what is going on???

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#21 - 2014-09-06 06:42:22 UTC
EVE is doing wonderfully as it is, let's not talk about change, would you really presume that you could ever endeavor to improve on the statue of David, Adamonus? Please set aside your youthful dreaming and lets get back to playing station games.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
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#22 - 2014-09-06 06:45:40 UTC
Adamonus wrote:


This is one point, right. Another reason to pick things up and integrate it in a useful way. As said, this Character Creator still is one of the best I've seen. And its also designed that it easily could be enhanced with newer sets, clothes, etc.

Well, focal point of any mmo, pu, whatever is your character, your avatar, right? In what appearance ever. First, you were just a pic, now you have a 3d character which is most common standard form in any mmo nowadays.

The spaceships are a pretty nice tool to pimp and fight- but you aren't skilling them, what you do skill, is your character.

I am not sure in how far you are comparing a 3d avi with second life? Maybe you can explain that too.

Because building space-stations or PI's in EVE like building stuff in second life..wow! I would be in!
:)


I'm with you. The character modeling is awesome. The clothing, hair, all of the fun options is .... well, fun. Look at my character - it's pretty obvious I have spent some time making it look cool (at least, to me).

But....

The problem comes down to none of this having any effect to anything that actually matters. Now, let's consider (CCP, please forgive me, I am not trying to be rude..) - if they had spent every single dime they spent on making this Avatar system and WoD and developing 20% of the whole "WiS" thing before giving up...

We would have thousands of those "little things" we all love so much fixed. We might (this is pushing it) have a corp/alliance management system that is not broken beyond repair. We might have SOV that is actually, well, fun. We might have even more dedicated hardware to allow us to fight larger, more epic battles that would create even more mainstream press talking about EVE. We might have an AURA that has not been giving us the same boring messages for a decade (Really, I have faster then light travel, but AURA can only give me some nice voice when I turn on my warp drive or dock at a station? What about, maybe, "Your warp drive is disabled" when I am pointed and unable to warp? "Shields are offline" when someone has made it into my armor? "Hull has been breached" after that? "Hostile targets detected" when I drop out of warp to reds on grid? "Your engines are being jammed" when someone has a web on me?) These are perfect examples of "little things" that probably should get some love before we worry about playing space-poker in station with each other, we can just go to eve-bet and talk about it in chat :) And it's not just "AURA" (though, I would LOVE to see awesome voice notifications that actually are of any value, and not have "eve has sound?" be something that is far too real) - there's so many other things that need some love. The UI itself needs a bunch of love, chat channels to anyone who is involved with really... anything have become a bit insane (Anyone else manage about 50 channels open at all times and find two high-rez monitors don't even begin to make it useful?)... The list of these little things just goes on.

From all the evidence we can gather - they have stepped away from all of the Avatar stuff and focused the energy on internet spaceships. This is good. We can think of WiS as one of those "little things" now - it might take a few more years, maybe a few months.. but there is a lot of cash that was spent on the system, and CCP is pretty good about taking their time to actually do something with features that seem a bit, well, half done.

Just have faith in the process, and after some time who knows where things might go :)
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#23 - 2014-09-06 06:51:05 UTC
Adamonus wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
WIS is not pinin'! Its passed on! This feature is no more! It has ceased to be! it's expired and gone to meet its maker!
It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! Its metabolic processes are now history! It's off the twig!
It's kicked the bucket, it's shuffled off this mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!!
THIS IS AN EX-FEATURE!!



Hi,

I just partly agree. Here is why:


First, the "big" mistake of CCP was to release and show features of WIS that had no certain evidence to be justified in the game itself. There was simply no reason for it - for example those mini-table games: Its a nice feature - but dth, who would need it for EVE?

Means what CCP did was offering nice macro-solution ideas instead of developing an enhanced valid and stable game-concept that actually would create a certain need for WIS, too.

Like boarding ships or enemy stations after they got unlocked for example. Because this way it would be a useful enhancement, a certain need.

If your ally wants to conquer areas they not only have a) just to fight to b) blow away poses and stations, no - if you really want to win you c) dth will have to put your lazy ass out of your ship to the boarded station and show how good you really are by destroying, looting and capturing everything inside to finally win the FPS station fight for a final game-result.

Thats why it's called an enhancement that keeps things more interesting for longer times, senseful chirugically step-by-step integrated into existing features to make them more entertaining and not replacing anything.

This is a useless discussion until Legion hits.

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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
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#24 - 2014-09-06 06:53:39 UTC  |  Edited by: DJentropy Ovaert
JOSAL EXAN wrote:


I started playing EVE, because it reminded me of an old old game called Elite. I started playing Elite because the whole concept of space travel and living in space is interesting to me. What it shows me, is that even in the future when we can travel through space, there will be those budheads who want to determine what other people should enjoy. Unfortunate.

Edit: Silly walks it is.



Elite was single player. The opinions and ideas of other people had no relevance, and the version of Elite you were playing was never updated, and was something you got to enjoy totally alone. You never had to worry about others who might have wanted Elite to evolve in a different direction - it never evolved. That being said, it was a great game. But you can't compare it to EVE. It's like comparing the original Wolfenstein to the latest Call Of Duty.

Eve is multi-player. You could even call it "Massively" multiplayer. Before you start to refer to other players as "budheads" and " loud mouthed" and guilty of "highjack(ing) EVE" - perhaps you should take a moment to understand the difference between a game that only exists for you, on your local system - versus a game that exists for tens of thousands of players. Apples and oranges, dear sir.
Adamonus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-09-06 07:00:46 UTC
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:


Yeah I hear ya here too, but I just dont see WiS as a productive way for them to go about preventing stagnation. I don't see what kind of "activity" we can have with WiS. Right now, if you wanna just hang out and bullshit with ppl, you use th4e local channel. Other than that, Ive never seen anyone actually suggest what, exactly, they want out of WiS.

I agree that we need to hope there's not going to be a big stagnation of content and thus players, I just don't see all the work that would go into WiS to make it a viable option.



Yup, right now WIS ingame is just a test without any function. Thats what I am talking about - a senseful integration by creating certain needs and dependencies are desperately needed of course.



- Player can craft walkable hangars and station modules (First level: kind of module, second level: weapons, defence, etc etc. LOTS of content here (range, number of sentries, poses, etc )) to create a fully customized, walkable space station.

- Player can collect loot ( 3d visualisation of existing loot) and decorate CQ and their Space stations

- Space Stations can be boarded, looted and destroyed. It's necessary to conquer a Space Station (ctf, => FPS) before it actually is down. Nice loot of stuff and interieur for every brave warrior.


And yes there is of course a need for it if you want to be up do date and competitive as a pc game of course. Simply because it would underline certain gameplay dynamics to keep things interesting in serveral aspects in the future too.

Tomiko Kawase
Perkone
#26 - 2014-09-06 07:06:10 UTC
I feel like this could be addressed better after we get a clearer picture of Legion. The WiS "gameplay" you're talking about overlaps the goal of Legion to a fair degree. After that's rolled out and there is a core game, I could see it melding into EVE proper a lot easier. It would make more sense than creating two shooters (essentially what WiS would be on a gameplay level) simultaneously.

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#27 - 2014-09-06 08:19:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
(siiigh)

Forget about WiS. EVE is what it is and if you want to be an awesome space captain, wait for other games to do that.

I still think that the original Ambulation plans from 2007 were on the right track, and EVE would be in a very different position to compete with other games if it had followed those plans.

But CCP is CCP, EVE is EVE, and their future is not worth worrying about.

Enjoy the show while it lasts.

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baltec1
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Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2014-09-06 08:36:13 UTC
CCP are not working on WiS because we rioted at the utter lack of attention to the space part of EVE which is everything. There are simply far too many issues and fixes needed for CCP to be working on space barbie.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#29 - 2014-09-06 08:49:11 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
CCP are not working on WiS because we rioted at the utter lack of attention to the space part of EVE which is everything. There are simply far too many issues and fixes needed for CCP to be working on space barbie.


Will just point that CCP sucked at working in other projects financed with EVE money not being spent on EVE.

You can see some of that money at work, though. My character is wearing orange tights.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#30 - 2014-09-06 09:00:00 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
CCP are not working on WiS because we rioted at the utter lack of attention to the space part of EVE which is everything. There are simply far too many issues and fixes needed for CCP to be working on space barbie.


Will just point that CCP sucked at working in other projects financed with EVE money not being spent on EVE.

You can see some of that money at work, though. My character is wearing orange tights.


I got a monocle out of the deal
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#31 - 2014-09-06 09:05:54 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
My character is wearing orange tights.

me too

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Don Purple
Snuggle Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#32 - 2014-09-06 09:25:53 UTC
The door is locked cause WiS is dead and behind it :D

I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#33 - 2014-09-06 10:08:08 UTC
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
I've honestly never understood the WiS crowd. I think there are other games out their to satisfy their needs. If ccp spent developement man-hours on WiS intead of more actual content, I would be highly pissed off.





They should rather use those hours for changing WH-jump properties?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#34 - 2014-09-06 19:10:07 UTC
"sims in space".

I'm kind of hoping for GTA in space but that's already in space we just need it in stations.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
45thtiger 0109
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#35 - 2014-09-06 19:17:54 UTC  |  Edited by: 45thtiger 0109
The full amswer to your question OP is no not at all ccp will not bring WIS back.

Forget about it its not going to happen.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#36 - 2014-09-06 19:26:45 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
CCP are not working on WiS because we rioted at the utter lack of attention to the space part of EVE which is everything. There are simply far too many issues and fixes needed for CCP to be working on space barbie.

What he conveniently forgot to mention is that the riots were caused only in small part by WIS, but more in part by greed is good. Nice propaganda ploy though.

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Jade Blackwind
#37 - 2014-09-06 19:43:10 UTC
"Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back."

WiS is the road not taken. Let it rest in peace.
Anslo
Scope Works
#38 - 2014-09-06 19:45:19 UTC
Why does it have to be black or white? Why not gray? Why dead or alive versus, you know, delayed and coming soon?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#39 - 2014-09-06 20:04:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
My character is wearing orange tights.

me too
Ralph, you're doing it wrong, the way you sport ladies hosiery is a fashion faux pas

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#40 - 2014-09-06 20:05:07 UTC
45thtiger 0109 wrote:
The full amswer to your question OP is no not at all ccp will not bring WIS back.

Forget about it its not going to happen.


this is not entirely true.

ATM WiS stations is dead. It not being brought back is a different matter entirely. We do not fully know the complete future plans for New Eden (eve, Legion/dust, valk) WiS revamp could be on that list, all be it low. But it might be there.

Honestly ccp stopped work on it. They had a bad ass project in 07 called Ambulation, which was scrapped for what we have now.

CCP could VERY easily set a few things up, and have AUR sales fund a small dev team to work on WiS. i.e. if players use it, and pay for it by doing space barbie they can spend some time on it. But i don;t think we will see any WiS stuff till at least corp/alliances, pos, sov are fixed, and legion and valk are finished.

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