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When PLEX hits belief - Serenity is dying, next, Tranquility?

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Gavin Dax
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2014-09-06 00:04:42 UTC
Leoric Firesword wrote:
Jooo Audeles wrote:
Just find this post:

forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=369930
The costs of PVP is too much for new players

In Serenity, this kind of question is "stupid", because everyone knows the standard answer is:"Sell a plex"
if someone doubt, or don't wish to, they will say:"You are a loser, you even can't afford a plex"


actually the standard answer was "fly cheaper ships"

followed closely with "find better ways to make money"

Reading comprehension, not just fancy words used in school.


In fairness he was referring to what the response would be from *Serenity* players.

OP does bring up a good point though. There is always potential for game degradation like this as long as some PvE can be done easily by bots. It doesn't matter if mining is low ISK/hr. That means little to a botter - it just means it's not viable for a real player.

IMO PvE should be engaging enough that 1) you can't use a bot and 2) you wouldn't want to use a bot anyway and 3) it creates good conflict/PvP instead of simply gank opportunities.

You can't make all PvE engaging but you can at least make it so that a bot can't do it. All PvE should have some type of CAPTCHA (note: CAPTCHA doesn't just mean one of those annoying things you see online, it just refers to any automated test which really just needs to be something a human does much better than a bot, doesn't need to be boring either - no reason why it can't be something fun or seamlessly integrated into the game). It may be that CCP doesn't care enough about it though - perhaps they stand to lose a lot in the short-term if they get rid of all the bots, I don't know. There's no denying that fewer bots is better in the long term though.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#62 - 2014-09-06 00:40:02 UTC
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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2014-09-06 01:05:03 UTC
Jooo Audeles wrote:
forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=369930
The costs of PVP is too much for new players


Yeah, except it's not. The problem is people believe that more expensive stuff is always better.

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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#64 - 2014-09-06 05:19:37 UTC
Post with your main op. Also, how is pvp too expensive for noobs? fit a frig with a web and a point and you and some guns and you are pvp ready.

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Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Tassin en Lone
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2014-09-06 05:37:19 UTC
After all the EVE-is-dying threads from Tranquility players we are now getting Serenity players posting their own EVE-is-dying threads on Tranquility forums?

Because we certainly can use some more of those.

It has come to the point that I'm starting to wonder if THIS is the real game and I have just been wasting my time by logging into the server.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#66 - 2014-09-06 06:23:02 UTC
Whenever a thread like this comes up, it seems to me that people are just a little too quick to jump in denying they have anything to do with the rampant botting in this game.

Kinda makes one wonder what the actual situation is...

Mr Epeen Cool
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#67 - 2014-09-06 06:40:38 UTC
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#68 - 2014-09-06 06:42:09 UTC
rant....check
rumors.....check
NPC Alt....check
troll....check

lock this thread Cool

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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#69 - 2014-09-06 07:07:14 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
This is just another PLEX cost a lot of isk thread.

As mentioned SRNTY is China only, whereas tranquility is the rest of the world. This multiculture gives T acompletly different drive. Despite all ganker propaganda, there are a lot of players, that like retrieving source material and building stuff. others trade only and the loudest groups play PvP.
Some pvpler might despice indus / miners, but they are still one of the important groups. There is fun in earning isk despite being hunted by pvplers.
If in TQ someone somewhat openly use bots, you can count on one thing: they would be hunted down.


rofl you think mining, building things, and doing industry is *not* a PVP action :P

Also, as many of my friends who run industrial characters can verify - being "hunted" by others is what MAKES EVE FUN. We all win sometimes, we all lose sometimes, but please - stop this sillyness of thinking that any single action you do is not a PVP action. It's outdated, and just a sign that you have not really thought about it much.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#70 - 2014-09-06 07:10:15 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Whenever a thread like this comes up, it seems to me that people are just a little too quick to jump in denying they have anything to do with the rampant botting in this game.

Kinda makes one wonder what the actual situation is...

Mr Epeen Cool


A well funded system like a lot of first person shooters use that verifies all client actions and local data would be a nice start :(

We are not even close to there yet.

I will say - I have run across quite a few bot farms on TQ - and have reported them and encouraged others to do the same. It takes weeks, sometimes months, but they all end up in Doomheim sooner or later.

It would be nice to see this process automated a touch, however, as any of the botting I have run across on TQ is beyond obvious - to say the least.
ashley Eoner
#71 - 2014-09-06 08:33:57 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Whenever a thread like this comes up, it seems to me that people are just a little too quick to jump in denying they have anything to do with the rampant botting in this game.

Kinda makes one wonder what the actual situation is...

Mr Epeen Cool


A well funded system like a lot of first person shooters use that verifies all client actions and local data would be a nice start :(

We are not even close to there yet.

I will say - I have run across quite a few bot farms on TQ - and have reported them and encouraged others to do the same. It takes weeks, sometimes months, but they all end up in Doomheim sooner or later.

It would be nice to see this process automated a touch, however, as any of the botting I have run across on TQ is beyond obvious - to say the least.

Yeah and those first person shooters still have hacks galore.........
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#72 - 2014-09-06 09:21:32 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
This is just another PLEX cost a lot of isk thread.

As mentioned SRNTY is China only, whereas tranquility is the rest of the world. This multiculture gives T acompletly different drive. Despite all ganker propaganda, there are a lot of players, that like retrieving source material and building stuff. others trade only and the loudest groups play PvP.
Some pvpler might despice indus / miners, but they are still one of the important groups. There is fun in earning isk despite being hunted by pvplers.
If in TQ someone somewhat openly use bots, you can count on one thing: they would be hunted down.


rofl you think mining, building things, and doing industry is *not* a PVP action :P

Also, as many of my friends who run industrial characters can verify - being "hunted" by others is what MAKES EVE FUN. We all win sometimes, we all lose sometimes, but please - stop this sillyness of thinking that any single action you do is not a PVP action. It's outdated, and just a sign that you have not really thought about it much.


Definitions rarely change the essential character of what they describe.

In other words: Does it matter?
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#73 - 2014-09-06 11:17:54 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
rofl you think mining, building things, and doing industry is *not* a PVP action :P


What now?`
"rofl" or ":P"

how can i write this, so that a common "codie" understands? the kick is building despite your feeble actions.

DJentropy Ovaert wrote:

Also, as many of my friends who run industrial characters can verify - being "hunted" by others is what MAKES EVE FUN.

I said something quite similar, however it didn't reach you.

You and you sorry clownstroupe are no danger for me and my alts. But what really disgusts me is, when you anoy (for me harras) for hours systematically. thats a strange kind of fun. asocial behavior one might say. very intersting that your group has a lot affinity for those guys. not shooting but trying hard for some extratears.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#74 - 2014-09-06 11:27:15 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
You and you sorry clownstroupe are no danger for me and my alts. But what really disgusts me is, when you anoy (for me harras) for hours systematically. thats a strange kind of fun. asocial behavior one might say.

How is it asocial of him to want to play with you, but not of you to only want to play with yourself?
Sara Tosa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#75 - 2014-09-06 11:41:06 UTC
Victor Andall wrote:
Could you give us a source for your " it seems that active players hit a new bottom in both servers"?

eve-offline gives public stats if you want to check them.
seing those, serenity its really falling down flat
Ursula Thrace
Dreamland Augmented Consortium
#76 - 2014-09-06 12:01:07 UTC
thread needs moar pshhh.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2014-09-06 12:03:34 UTC
Tippia wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
You and you sorry clownstroupe are no danger for me and my alts. But what really disgusts me is, when you anoy (for me harras) for hours systematically. thats a strange kind of fun. asocial behavior one might say.

How is it asocial of him to want to play with you, but not of you to only want to play with yourself?


Giggity?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2014-09-06 12:09:03 UTC
I'm shopping in Jita right now on my alt and, I have to say, I'm not concerned about PLEX prices. What I really want to know is...

*tinfoil on*

Why are goons causing such a price hike in meta 4 dcus? I mean, back in February, I was buying them for 7 mil a piece. Now, I'm looking at 11-11.5 mil. WHAT IS THIS PURE TRAVESTY!!! If you were to tell me that this is the reason for the world going to hell in a handbasket, I'd almost believe you save for the fact that the world won't fit in a handbasket.

*tinfoil o..... wait, actually, this is kinda comfy, never mind*

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#79 - 2014-09-06 12:16:10 UTC
Tippia wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
You and you sorry clownstroupe are no danger for me and my alts. But what really disgusts me is, when you anoy (for me harras) for hours systematically. thats a strange kind of fun. asocial behavior one might say.

How is it asocial of him to want to play with you, but not of you to only want to play with yourself?


Guess the same was said in court too here and there.

How can she be so asocial not to want to play with big bad man??

No, I do not compare Code to whatever, just said your reply doesn't fit.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#80 - 2014-09-06 12:18:45 UTC
A Chinese EVE server, a country that is famous for gold farming in every MMO imaginable, is dying due to bots.

Who would'a thunk it. Roll

Not today spaghetti.